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  • I need to go back and find the url for this do but it is march 10th 2011 meti / nisa doc re inspection of work done on 4 and talks of work done without permission
    docs.google.com
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 3:53:38 PM

  • quake
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 3:54:04 PM

  • @UKVal teppy cam shook. 4.8 off Fukushima coast
    by Meretisa 5/16/2011 3:55:26 PM

  • so why have a dry cask storage facility if they use 4 and 6?
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 3:56:16 PM

  • @Meretisa thanks - I heard it so switched to cam - shook really hard
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 3:56:41 PM

  • @UKVal I saw a bit. heard it first too. scary. :(
    by Meretisa 5/16/2011 3:57:15 PM


  • Carbon Steel 1425 - 1540 2600 - 2800
    Stainless Steel 1510 2750
    by dean 5/16/2011 3:57:58 PM


  • oops... those temps are degree K then degree F
    by dean 5/16/2011 3:58:24 PM

  • @ukval fuku had literallyrun out of room or would have done by this summer the new storage facility was not due until next yr at earliest
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 3:58:27 PM

  • 'There are fuel ponds near the top of all six reactor buildings at the plant, adjacent to the top of each reactor so that the fuel can be unloaded under water, when the top is off the reactor pressure vessel and it is flooded. The ponds hold some fresh fuel and some used fuel, pending its transfer to the central used/spent fuel storage on site. (There is some dry storage there to extend the site's capacity.) ' ambigious -- is that near each SFP or selected?
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 3:59:00 PM

  • @ elaine.. one danger of crowding the storage grids in the SFP together is the damage to concrete on the other side of the steel liner.. analyses has shown that they need to keep the storage grids around 6 inches minimum from the wall or it starts degrading the concrete
    by dean 5/16/2011 3:59:46 PM

  • @elainekirk -ty - I was aware of the storage issue due to delays in opening the anticipated new site -- but I'm still puzzled why they had a facility elsewhere on site but retrned fuel, presumably after further cooling in the common SF, to casks in the reactor buildings P
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:01:01 PM

  • @dean also that TEPCO did not follow recommended course of interspersing new with old
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:02:03 PM

  • @dean I am out of my depth when it comes to techi I am merely a google obsessive who is supposed to be looking for control rod data :):)
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 4:02:07 PM

  • elaine.. you learn fast,,,, I"m a google obsessive too, some times my old brain has to chug away to come up with the techi stuff...
    by dean 5/16/2011 4:03:16 PM

  • elaine willl you pin that message I sent with the link? I still can't do it
    by dean 5/16/2011 4:03:56 PM

  • be back in a bit.. heading home.. .
    by dean 5/16/2011 4:10:44 PM

  • @dean: Thanks, just what I was looking for.
    by DonnerT 5/16/2011 4:14:06 PM

  • Dean you got it wrong on the deg Kelvin, it is actually deg C as the first number and deg F for the second. 0 deg kelvin= -273deg C
    by Lethbridgean 5/16/2011 4:15:48 PM

  • Yes I am being thick this morning, need more coffee..they had dry casks in the reactor buildings?
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 4:16:10 PM

  • @nancy I cant get my head round it either, do you think they extended the ........basement ....need to find plans
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 4:21:45 PM

  • The ultimate safety system inside and outside of every BWR are the numerous levels of physical shielding that both protect the reactor from the outside world and protect the outside world from the reactor.

    There are five levels of shielding:
    1.The fuel rods inside the reactor pressure vessel are coated in thick Zircaloy shielding;
    2.The reactor pressure vessel itself is manufactured out of 6-inch-thick (150 mm) steel, with extremely high temperature, vibration, and corrosion resistant surgical stainless steel grade grade 316L plate on both the inside and outside;
    3.The primary containment structure is made of steel 1 inch thick;
    4.The secondary containment structure is made of steel-reinforced, pre-stressed concrete 1.2–2.4 meters (4–8 ft) thick.
    5.The reactor building (the shield wall/missile shield) is also made of steel-reinforced, pre-stressed concrete 0.3 m to 1 m (1–3 feet) thick
    en.wikipedia.org
    by Lethbridgean 5/16/2011 4:22:41 PM

  • @UKVal Everything you didn't want to know (before 3/11) about fuel storage www.google.com
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 4:24:45 PM

  • I need a good app. Trying to go from EST, EDT JST and now an added IST, looking back at data, I am just getting exasperated!!! Help, I need an app!!
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 4:30:17 PM

  • @elainekirk nothing surprises me. Let me take a look and see if the configuration of 4 has any additional building space on the outside.
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 4:30:42 PM

  • are you using chrome their free apps include one
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 4:30:54 PM

  • @RBeaner try this one www.timeanddate.com
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 4:31:15 PM

  • @elainekirk no IE 1800.7.9.14.8 or something:)
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 4:31:45 PM

  • @Nancy that one is clost, but where is ist? Can't they dumb this shit down for me?
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 4:32:57 PM

  • LOL
    by Lethbridgean 5/16/2011 4:34:53 PM

  • @RBeaner thanks I had seen that before but I hadn't really registered
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:37:32 PM

  • Tuesday, May 17, 2011

    Aso volcano alert level raised to 2
    Kyodo

    KUMAMOTO — The Meteorological Agency on Monday raised the volcanic alert level for Mount Aso from 1 to 2, prompting local authorities in Kumamoto Prefecture to ban entry to areas within 1 km of the crater of Mount Naka, one of five peaks in the active volcano's central cone group.
    search.japantimes.co.jp
    by Majj 5/16/2011 4:37:51 PM

  • This reuters article, birth mother of this site in.reuters.com refers to IST (top bar) is that Island Standard Time, or you think a typo?
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 4:38:39 PM

  • so at that time there were 408 assemblies stored in 9 dry casks, each containing either 37 or 52 assemblies. The plan was to increase this by a further 11 casks. But this still doesn't explain why they didn't extend the dry cask storage facility on site but instead put the casks in #4 & 6.
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:39:19 PM

  • IST= Indian standard Time.
    by Lethbridgean 5/16/2011 4:40:26 PM

  • @UKVal I believe they were trying to move the dry casks off site. To free up space in the "combined?" storage pool for more warm fuel. It takes a few years to get to dry cask stage.
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 4:41:19 PM

  • If they actually have dry casks in the reactor buildings, might explain some of TEPCO's dodgy behavior. Makes me wonder what else they have going on. There were some people expressing concerns about #6 and something maybe going on there? Since 6 is the only ABWR on site it might have more room in the building itself. Could they have had an illegal cask storage going on inside 6?
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 4:41:49 PM

  • by Lethbridgean 5/16/2011 4:42:14 PM

  • OK, It was a driect hit on Dai NINI but Dai Ichi is very close by take a look
    hisz.rsoe.hu
    by you
    by Veenie 5/16/2011 4:42:29 PM

  • @RBeaner -true but their plans were delayed due to planning delays preparing the new facility. The qu is why use the reactors & not store elsewhere omn site?
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:42:35 PM

  • Numerous people heard something on Cam, just as i was posting on the other site........
    hisz.rsoe.hu
    by Veenie 5/16/2011 4:43:37 PM

  • @Nancy have we discovered the answer to the mystery about 4 that's been puzzling us all along?
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:43:57 PM

  • @Nancy Dry casks are beyond safe, they are of no concern if loaded with the properly cooled fuel. They have hit them with full speed trains. Any fuel, when the proper wait time ( to reduce decay heat) has passed is not a problem in any eq or tsunami.
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 4:44:14 PM

  • @RBeaner -that's not the issue. We've been devating if there was something dodgey going on in 4. This might be it. Might.
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:44:59 PM

  • devating =debating
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 4:45:11 PM

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