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  • @wtm I know a few people who have also survived those. I can only try to imagine the affliction and panic.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 5:15:30 PM

  • the issue is, tepco has no doctor on the site! if you suffer a cardiac infraction you have a goood chance to survive, if help is fast. you just inject a medicament to make the blood thinner, and that's it.
    by Edano 5/16/2011 5:16:46 PM

  • @Edano, you would then agree, the worst pain you ever felt !!
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:17:15 PM

  • They probably could have saved the poor guy if they would have just given him some aspirin !
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:18:17 PM

  • @wtm : i must admit: no. i suffered from some other nasty things before, and those were uglier. :/
    by Edano 5/16/2011 5:19:03 PM

  • @Nancy, looking at the TBS cam, it looks like part of the roof on #4 has dropped lower to the 2nd level on the right hand side ??
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:20:04 PM

  • @UJVal, you have to have water in the unit to get steam, all the water levels are really down lower than what they were before.
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:21:34 PM

  • @Edano On TEPCO's and NISA's report they say he was medically assisted in a doctor's room inside the power plant prior to being transferred to a doctor in J Village and from their to Sogo Iwaki Kyoritsu Hospital. Are you sure they don't have a doctor in the NPP?
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 5:21:34 PM

  • @wtm there is a white object hanging down I don't recognize. Will try to get a better image when daylight hits.
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 5:21:53 PM

  • (their = there)
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 5:21:57 PM

  • @Nancy, that is part of what I noticed, it looks like a roof panel ?
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:22:50 PM

  • @wtm exactly - no steam is worrying
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 5:23:47 PM

  • @wtm yes, looks like possibly the light colored metal roofing panels. But if it moved now why? Maybe the quake?
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 5:23:56 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus : hmmm this is new. there were some comments about not having a doctor and the very slow emergency car.
    by Edano 5/16/2011 5:23:57 PM

  • @Nancy, had a 4.8 about an hour ago.
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:24:15 PM

  • @wtm @Nancy -looks like that panel's dropped more
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 5:24:57 PM

  • @Edano The story cited by ex sfx mentioned it took 2 hours, they drove him part of the way to town by car and the lack of a doctor. They cited Japanese media sources. I hope there is a autopsy done and some sort of investigation.
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 5:25:08 PM

  • @UKVal, Nancy, actually looks like the whole top of the roof there had dropped a bit ?
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:25:49 PM

  • The Nov 2010 powerpoint presentation talks about the 408 assemblies (of which 148 were from #4) having already been in the dry storage casks, and in the dry storage cask building, as of back in March 2010. It also asserts they were authorized for up to 20 casks total there.
    by Markfm edited by Markfm 5/16/2011 5:25:59 PM

  • @Nancy : yes, that i remember.
    by Edano 5/16/2011 5:26:16 PM

  • @Edano They don't say that he was assisted by a doctor at the NPP though, so that information you have might still be right. They say: "He was carried to a doctor's room of the power station at 7:03
    AM and had medical treatment. Since he had lost his consciousness and
    stopped self breathing, at 7:35 AM he was carried to a doctor in the
    J Village and the doctor examined his condition. After that, at 8:35 AM,
    he was carried to Sogo Iwaki Kyoritsu Hospital." Two hours to get to a hospital is alarming.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 5:28:04 PM

  • checked a night image from 5.8.2011 - same item is hanging down in that spot. I think it may show up more based on where they have the lights.
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 5:28:18 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus : no chance. you need an immediate injection of streptokinase. they should be knowing that.
    by Edano 5/16/2011 5:29:49 PM

  • @Edano It's dramatic not to say negligent.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 5:30:52 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus : hey, we have 2000 workers here, but the work is not dangerous to human health. so what a doctor for ?
    by Edano 5/16/2011 5:32:07 PM

  • @Markfm true -so why seek approval for more at 4??
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 5:34:44 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus So an (1) older man keeled over at physical work... and died. Prehaps on feb 27 things would have been different. But, After the disaster occured, don't you think the response would be different. Now I have to say the obligatory , sorry, we couldn't revive your brother, son, or father, but he's dead. 18000 people have died, it is sad...but reality
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 5:35:48 PM

  • @RBeaner The concern is that it is a death that could have been preventable. 2 hours and no plan to evac or treat sick people and reversible medical problems if handled in a timely manner. They are going to have more workers drop from the heat as it warms up in Japan.
    by Nancy 5/16/2011 5:39:30 PM

  • "Installation of additional dry casks" was part of the Nov. 2010 briefing, so perhaps going forward they were seeking approval to stash more of them elsewhere. It doesn't mean there were 148 dry casked assemblies in #4 as of the earthquake.
    by Markfm 5/16/2011 5:39:45 PM

  • @Markfm true
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 5:40:11 PM

  • @RBeaner Sure, but it is also very real that the conditions under which those 4 to 5 hundred men working at the F-K NPP are very extreme and the hazard very high. I would imagine they would have a better plan to evacuate victims of accidents and have them promptly assisted. 2 hours to get a victim of a cardiac arrest to a hospital is unbelievable.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 5:40:21 PM

  • (there should be an 'are' somewhere on my previous post. I hope it is still understandable enough)
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 5:42:47 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus it does appear that conditions for the workers in general at the plant are very poor
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 5:45:14 PM

  • @Nancy @Pedro Jesus OK, I grant they could have had better medical facilitys set up, but they still have several thousand square miles that don't have proper medical facilities set up. This disaster plant is still in the middle of a disaster area. There are 160,000 evacuees from the nuclear and the tsunami (iirc) This is an fing disater area.
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 5:46:10 PM

  • How long before sunrise there ?
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:52:25 PM

  • I prefer to only apply critisism where due, from my understanding, this guy may have been dead when they found him. It sucks. The guy is dead. BUT lets not take it further than it needs to go, or evidence warrants today. This is still a nuclear emergency, people are going to lose their life for others, for the greater good
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 5:53:39 PM

  • @wtm: About 8 hours
    by estacion 5/16/2011 5:53:55 PM

  • @Estacion, TY
    by wtm 5/16/2011 5:54:32 PM

  • @RBeaner - Not at all accurate, as Edano pointed out if he indeed suffered from what he suffered then he didn't have to die. The lack of a medical Dr. shows the lack of planning nor the compassion for a human life, kinda like you just exibited.....
    by Lethbridgean 5/16/2011 5:57:15 PM

  • disclaimer - This is a google translated doc pertaining to the condition of mox fuel at fukushima - no translation is perfect and I am putting it here merely to brighten your day - I hope
    translate.google.com
    a. MOX fuel for violation pertaining to the handling of fuel after the acceptance of Violation affecting the health of MOX fuel, it was confirmed that did not occur. In addition, MOX is confirmed piece of tape on the bottom tie plate fuel, removing it There were two elephants, these are events that can affect health Confirmed this
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 6:01:02 PM

  • @Nancy You said "The concern is that it is a death that could have been preventable. 2 hours and no plan to evac or treat sick people and reversible medical problems if handled in a timely manner. They are going to have more workers drop from the heat as it warms up in Japan" I'm not arguing this point. This is a disaster, and some people are going to give their life to help prevent the disaster.. Just like firefighters, if they all had remote function of long range disharge equip, then they wouldn't die either. I don't know that there was a lack of an M.D. , i do know that it was a long way to an able hospital./
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 6:01:24 PM

  • @Lethbridgean Lets not be hard on RBeaner. He does have a very good point there. You can't just set up a medical tent in the middle of a nuclear disaster area. We do not know what the medical protocol, if any, is in such a situation.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/16/2011 6:01:32 PM

  • @elainekirk WTH???
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 6:02:37 PM

  • @elainekirk that's as good as the 1 I found about a worker entering the turbine building 'with a bomb'
    by UKVal 5/16/2011 6:03:30 PM

  • @Nancy Do you realize that there are people in need of medical attention for 10's of miles around fukushima, even today. This was the highest concentration of elderly ever to be affected by a sig. natural disaster.
    by RBeaner 5/16/2011 6:04:05 PM

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