Japan Earthquake

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@angie roflmao
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 9:48:07 AM

@elainekirk Oh look if we dont laugh at this stage we would all cry enough tears to fill the bloody reactors ourselves..........oh shoot thats right they are full of holes!!
by Angie 5/18/2011 9:54:06 AM

oh dear the UK report may not be worthy of reading time I do hope somebody submits some ideas because their expert says
"At the time of the earthquake three reactors (Reactor Units 1 to 3) were operating, with Reactor Unit 4 on
refuelling outage and Reactors Units 5 and 6 shut down for maintenance. "
www.hse.gov.uk
So #4 had been dismantled for refuelling ???????? how very strange rofl
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 9:55:00 AM

@elainekirk lmao *sigh* I think its going to be one of those nights! lol
by Angie 5/18/2011 9:57:18 AM

@angie I am wading through it, these folk can waffle without actually saying anything so far he seems to only have a basic understanding methinks the 'industry ' has fed him soundbites that he has dressed up
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 10:06:56 AM

Oh Look stating the obvious - but it does need stating
www.hse.gov.uk
"
Recommendation 1: The government should approach IAEA, in co-operation
with others, to ensure that improved arrangements are in place for the
dissemination of timely authoritative information relevant to a nuclear event
anywhere in the world"
Though the concept of 'approaching' an outfit you are an integral part of , is cockeyed
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 10:08:45 AM

It is ok folks Kan says everyone can go back to their homes in January
www.asahi.com
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 10:20:41 AM

@elainekirk Lmao are they still going with that line??? How the he
ll do they think people can go back??? Have these people ever heard of chernobyl??? *rolls eyes*
by Angie 5/18/2011 10:22:58 AM

what is mudstone as in " The site itself is underlain by a significant depth of
mudstone with the reactor buildings founded on material with a shear wave velocity in excess of
600m/sec. " www.hse.gov.uk
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 10:31:06 AM

lol best I could do was wiki! lol en.wikipedia.org and this one Mudstone is a clastic sedimentary rock. As it sounds, a mudstone is hardened mud (silts and clays) and is mostly composed of very fine particles. A mudstone will soften in water, while the related siltstones and claystones will remain hard. www.galleries.com
by Angie 5/18/2011 10:47:45 AM

But it doesnt sound good as mudstone softens in water.............
by Angie 5/18/2011 10:48:20 AM

Workers enter No.2 reactor building

Workers have entered the No.2 reactor building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant for the first time since an explosion there on March 15th, as part of efforts to bring the reactor under control.

Tokyo Electric Power Company sent 4 workers into the building on Wednesday morning to check radiation levels and other conditions.

The workers wore protective suits and carried air tanks on their backs. TEPCO says their exposure to radiation has been kept between 3 and 4 millisieverts each.

TEPCO says data on radiation levels inside the building is necessary to proceed with the revised plan it announced on Tuesday to cool the reactors.

The plan calls for decontaminating and circulating water leaked from the containment vessels back into the reactors as a coolant.

An unmanned probe of the No. 2 reactor on April 18th was inconclusive because humidity levels of above 90 percent fogged the camera lens and kept the robot from moving forward.

Work is also under way at the No.3 reactor to move highly contaminated water from the turbine building and other areas to a temporary storage facility. The transfer began on Tuesday evening.

TEPCO says about 130 tons of the water is believed to have been pumped out by Wednesday morning. It says the work reduced the water level in the basement of the turbine building to 144 centimeters, down one centimeter from before the transfer.

Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:31 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 5/18/2011 11:04:23 AM

Venting failed twice at Fukushima plant, possibly damaging reactor

TOKYO, May 18, Kyodo

The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant failed twice to vent steam out of the containment vessel of the No. 2 reactor, most likely resulting in damage done to part of it, a plant operator source said Wednesday.

The failure in the immediate aftermath of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami and subsequent trouble at the plant, such as the release of massive amounts of radioactive material into the air and the discharge of contaminated water, call into question Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s crisis management, observers say.

The world's worst nuclear crisis since the 1986 Chernobyl disaster has yet to be contained, with the government and the utility struggling to restart key cooling functions at most of the six reactors there. english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 5/18/2011 11:04:32 AM

@Edano I am so sorry hope you were not in there too long.......I was just grabbing a snack lol
by Angie 5/18/2011 11:05:32 AM

bad gremlin.
by Edano 5/18/2011 11:06:12 AM

Very bad it keeps putting you there even though I have you on auto! I think it likes you! lol
by Angie 5/18/2011 11:06:44 AM

maybe my avartar.
by Edano 5/18/2011 11:07:34 AM

lol maybe!
by Angie 5/18/2011 11:08:08 AM

sorry @edano I too was away
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 11:27:11 AM

@elainekirk From the other board on the mudstone. It depends on how well the grains are| cemented together, mudstones and siltstones are referred to as clastic sedimentary rocks. Shales are another garbage can group which can, by some authors, be lumped together in that group. I subscribe to the philosophy that shales imply some (slight) amount of metamorphism. Confusing, yeah, but the main thing here is the degree of consolidation.
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by Angie 5/18/2011 11:30:01 AM

@angie thank you do you nknow why there is a blank post below yours?? never seen that before
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 11:36:05 AM

@elainekirk Thanks for the interesting HSE links below - I had no idea they were consulting re this issue. Do hope they're extending their call for input, and that they'll publish the responses they receive - I think they have some obligation to disclose them.
by es 5/18/2011 11:36:13 AM

@elainekirk I cant see one I did just refresh tho..........FB as well when you get the chance please.
by Angie 5/18/2011 11:38:51 AM

@es it looks pretty open
"I am particularly interested in:

What you know or understand about the facts surrounding the events in Japan; and
What you draw from these facts about the lessons that might be learnt to enhance the safety of nuclear facilities in the UK or any prospective new nuclear power stations.
I should emphasise that the information submitted should be technically based and relevant to the events in Japan, and not about nuclear or energy policy issues as these are outside the role and responsibilities of the nuclear regulator.

My report will be produced in an open and transparent way. I therefore intend to publish all submissions on ONR’s website as they are received, so please do not send anything that is copyright. If"
www.hse.gov.uk
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 11:39:39 AM

@elainekirk Yes, exactly. They have to listen if not respond. And as you say, it doesn't look like submissions are restricted as long as they stay on-topic and techie. Not sure how narrow their selection is - avoiding mention of "nuclear or energy policy issues" might be kinda tricky. NB I've reported their broken link too :)
by es 5/18/2011 11:46:47 AM

@elainekirk Have you perchance found these yet: "I therefore intend to publish all submissions on ONR’s website as they are received"?
by es 5/18/2011 11:52:37 AM

@es 'as they are recieved' sounds good !!
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 11:55:54 AM

@elainekirk Hmm, yeah but I guess that sentence is ambiguous - could mean 'when they're received' or 'in the form they're received'...
by es 5/18/2011 11:57:25 AM

@es knowing our civil services belief that they are running the country I would say it is 'when they are received and edited by us'
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 11:59:49 AM

@elainekirk I wonder if we can get clarification from them re this point. I will submit a query.
by es 5/18/2011 12:01:33 PM

@es oh good idea that would be great would be awful if people worked on stuff that got bastardised by them
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 12:06:17 PM

Morning all. Someone needs to smack Kan with a reality stick. They can tell people they can go home but it won't be safe there.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 12:08:31 PM

@Nancy I am convinced now that they are just trying to avoid adequately and properly compensating people there is no other reason I can find for the constant 'you can return home' noises
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 12:10:56 PM

Diablo Canyon had 20 issues on NRC inspection. Including a back up pump that failed to start www.sanluisobispo.com
by Nancy 5/18/2011 12:11:31 PM

@elainekirk It makes me soooo mad because these people are stuck in shelters or temporary housing. If they keep thinking they can go home they will do little to get a new life. Nine months or so in limbo and then the news you can't go back will just make it worse on people. Meanwhile they put off fully compensating them.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 12:12:50 PM

@Nancy Thank you! You are having the vent for me! keep going!
by Angie 5/18/2011 12:13:37 PM

@Angie LOL. As things evolve I think this will end up being a big part of the humanitarian effort that is needed. I hope Greenpeace is keeping this in mind with testing.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 12:14:58 PM

@nancy with adequate compensation and a swift planning permissions system plus access to pre fab (swedish ones are very hardy) build it yourself housing people could start to build communities again. At prent there are 890 of the evac centres having over a hundred people in each and many more are close to that figure
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 12:15:45 PM

Nancy and Elaine I fully agree!
by Angie 5/18/2011 12:16:34 PM

The farmers are going to be hit the worst. I don't know what farmland is like as far as availability. Same goes for the fishing fleets. These people had their entire lives ripped apart thanks to TEPCO. The Tsunami alone would just have meant rebuilding. The contamination threw everything into a permanent problem. Fully compensating people who it is clear they can't go back right now would give their economy a boost as those people would be buying land, building homes, and such. Both the GoJ and TEPCO are refusing to see that the way companies and the govt. operate have to significantly change behavior or it will sink the entire country. They are shoving all the pain onto the people in order to save a corporation that should be completely liquidated. Sell off all of TEPCO's assets. Sell off their power plants to other producers and use the proceeds to pay compensation.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 12:24:11 PM

I am really struggling with this HSE report it is as though he has just gone through tepco releases and asked the nuke industry to add explanation of 'what are control rods ' etc
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 12:25:48 PM

@nancy another problem re compo is who gets what as an entire swathe of coastline is effectively out of bounds re building as they expect further tsunami's so there is the question of where do they draw the line re who gets tepco compo and who gets gov , can other areas of coastline be considered safe enough to support fishing communities? very difficult as the sea of J apan around the east will already have communities from Japan , China and korea dependent and probably couldnt sustain further communities.
What it needs is industry to set the ball rolling by selecting a safe area to establish production and comunities built around it but this will not happen whilstever international businessess cannot trust the info they are getting on the nuclear/power supply situation
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 12:31:41 PM

@elainekirk We all know what a load of horse apples much of TEPCO's information has been. In the US the govt. let people go rebuild in the neighborhoods in New Orleans that had the worst of the flooding. They have not done a great job trying to fix the levee system either. So it could happen again. I am guessing they will do the same thing in Japan as far as the Tsunami goes.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 12:37:02 PM

Ok I need to go to bed..........I may be on a little later tomorrow I have reading group at my daughters school......30 8/9yr olds lol! Night!!!!
by Angie 5/18/2011 12:38:38 PM

I am still reading through this article from WSJ. It outlines the series of failures and disasters that happened after the quake. Even the emergency command center failed when they first got there. online.wsj.com
by Nancy 5/18/2011 12:38:40 PM