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  • @Ian Reactor 1 is BWR-3, Reactors 3-5 are BWR-4 and Reactor 6 is BWR-5.
    by RadioGuy 5/18/2011 6:54:55 PM

  • @Ian I have seen them expressed as "BWR (insert a number)" ie: BWR - 4. I think this means it is a 4th incarnation of the Mark 1. Monticello is a Mark 1 BWR (so glad I do not live in Monticello any more) www.nucleartourist.com
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 6:55:17 PM

  • R2-5, sorry.
    by RadioGuy 5/18/2011 6:55:22 PM

  • @RadioGuy I have also seen the ones like unit 6 referred to as a ABWR but also as a BWR-5 so it must be sort of casual terminology. The torus design on 6 and reactor well placement is different.
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 6:56:35 PM

  • by Nancy edited by elainekirk 5/18/2011 7:04:24 PM

  • I'm not sure but I think the BWR/n classification refers to the reactors, not the secondary-containment structures surrounding them. ?
    by Ian 5/18/2011 7:05:02 PM

  • Radiation tests lacking / Nuclear plant workers unsure of internal exposure levels
    www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Panserbjorne9 5/18/2011 7:12:50 PM

  • @Elaine, do you know if they have any Mark1 GE reactors in the UK? That might be a good starting point to get something together to submit.
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 7:14:40 PM

  • Kan calls for more independence for Japan's nuclear regulators

    By Takuya Karube
    TOKYO, May 18, Kyodo

    Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Wednesday that Japanese nuclear reactors currently under inspection will be allowed to resume operations once their safety is confirmed, but at the same time the government needs to reinforce the independence of the country's nuclear regulatory structures.

    Kan suggested that Japan should spin off the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency from the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, which was actively promoting atomic energy until the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, triggered by the March 11 earthquake and resulting tsunami.

    ''I believe that the manner in which the country's nuclear power has been administrated over the years must be fundamentally reviewed,'' Kan told a news conference. english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 5/18/2011 7:16:59 PM

  • by Edano 5/18/2011 7:20:32 PM

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    en.wikipedia.org
    by Lethbridgean 5/18/2011 7:36:24 PM

  • very complete and interactive info about all nuke reactors worldwide: tools.voanews2.com
    by Edano 5/18/2011 7:39:46 PM

  • @Edano "McMurdo Station – PM-3A NNPU "Nukey Poo" US Navy power reactor (operational 1962, shut down 1972, fully dismantled 1979)"
    LOL
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 7:40:23 PM

  • @Nancy : i 've read the same ;)
    by Edano 5/18/2011 7:40:54 PM

  • Antarctica
    by Edano 5/18/2011 7:41:13 PM

  • @Panserbjorne9 Internal monitoring..Similar to the dosimetry issue, it takes media attention to get the equipment to the area. Aren't some of these workers sleeping or exercising at Daini. They can (and should) set up all they can get ahold of. With the levels of radioactivity these guys are working around, the internal dose can become a large portion of ehole body dose.
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 7:43:00 PM

  • .....portion of whole body dose
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 7:44:07 PM

  • Departure of barge from Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station to Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station. 5/18/11
    www.tepco.co.jp

    by Rob in SF via Tepco.co.jp 5/18/2011 7:44:18 PM

  • @Nancy not sure I think they are all gas .
    There is a seismic doc here www.nisa.meti.go.jp I have run it through translate though as pdf's are corrupting on my pc atm it would be good if someone else could try I wouldnt like to base any comment on my translation although I am pretty confident this report is another thorn in tepco's side
    by elainekirk 5/18/2011 7:46:20 PM

  • New cooling systems to be installed at fuel pools

    The operator of the damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant is likely to start operating a new system within 2 weeks to cool spent fuel in reactor Number 2.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company says it is preparing to install cooling systems in 4 of the 6 reactor buildings, 3 months earlier than initially planned.

    TEPCO says it is laying power cables for a cooling system for Number 2 reactor's spent fuel pool. A heat exchanger will be brought into the facility early next week to start operating the cooling system by the end of this month.

    Workers entered the Number 2 reactor building on Wednesday for the first time since a hydrogen explosion on March 15th. They tried to check radiation levels but left the building after 14 minutes because it was filled with steam, making further work impossible. [surprise surprise]

    The utility says the vapor appears to be coming from the damaged suppression chamber as well as from the fuel pool itself.

    Senior TEPCO official Junichi Matsumoto says he believes cooling the spent fuel pool will help reduce steam inside the reactor.

    TEPCO reports more than 90 percent humidity inside the Number 2 reactor building. Matsumoto says the building's roof is intact, making it more prone to filling with steam. Number 1 and 3 reactor buildings are exposed to the air because hydrogen explosions blew off their roofs and walls.

    Thursday, May 19, 2011 02:57 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/18/2011 7:54:17 PM

  • Interesting that the barge depicted below is US Navy. The US is clearly still far more involved than they're letting on.
    by Rob in SF 5/18/2011 7:57:10 PM

  • @Edano Ew radioactive mold!
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 8:00:16 PM

  • they will have lots of mushrooms in #2 by now. harvest time.
    by Edano 5/18/2011 8:02:34 PM

  • <sigh> [from the other board]

    UK nuclear industry gets green light from government inspector

    The UK does not need to curtail the operation of nuclear power stations after the crisis at the Fukushima plant in Japan, the nuclear chief inspector, Mike Weightman, said today.
    In an interim report on the lessons that could be learned from the disaster, which followed a 9-magnitude earthquake and a tsunami that battered the Japanese coast, Weightman said similar natural events would not happen in the UK.
    He also said existing and planned nuclear power stations in this country were of a different design from those at Fukushima, which were rocked by explosions and damage to the reactors after the tsunami shut down power to the plants, knocking out their cooling facilities.
    Also, flooding risks were unlikely to prevent the construction of new nuclear power stations at potential development sites in the UK, all of which are on the coast, he said.

    www.guardian.co.uk

    come on, go out on the streets, britannia !
    by Edano 5/18/2011 8:08:49 PM

  • Fukushima Foilage: Don’t Eat The Dandelions
    www.asianweek.com
    by Panserbjorne9 5/18/2011 8:09:23 PM

  • @Rob in SF Looks like one of the 2 previously announced fresh water barges. Maybe headed to Daini for a refill.
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 8:18:20 PM

  • @edano my opinion of the UK government expert is predictable - absolute - ill informed - pocket liner
    by elainekirk 5/18/2011 8:25:24 PM

  • @RBeaner That makes sense.
    by Rob in SF 5/18/2011 8:32:36 PM

  • does anybody know if this data is now online anywhere gsa.confex.com
    by elainekirk 5/18/2011 8:34:18 PM

  • @elainekirk a quick search didn't come up with any good leads. It looks like the authors work at Hiroshima University. Where Bo works is associated with the Uni in Hiroshima. He might be able to give you an idea how to get a copy.
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 8:42:21 PM

  • it is mentioned in the daiichi seismic check doc here www.nisa.meti.go.jp which is connected to the one I posted below www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    I have given the original links as I am still getting distortions when I translate they are the most comprehensive seismic docs I have found today but dont show tepco making any effort to do as requested in a timely manner or disclose the results
    by elainekirk 5/18/2011 8:46:45 PM

  • I do find it amazing how many points gov agencies raised for needing investigating/further study that were left to tepco to carry out surveys and report on. We know jnes were charged with doing marine surveys in 2010 but there is no record of the results that I can find so obviously gov agencies were concerned enough by that stage to take over some survey work
    by elainekirk 5/18/2011 8:51:15 PM

  • "It couldn't happen here" keithukstories.blogspot.com
    by Edano 5/18/2011 8:53:17 PM

  • @Elaine, this nonsense of documents in native language only is a joke. At some point I think they have to provide this data to the IAEA. Maybe we need to start requiring all NPPs to make all press releases, public documents and official filings in the countries native language and another in the standard language(s) used by the IAEA.
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 8:57:40 PM

  • @Nancy Thats right, all these documents should be immediately released infre..i mean English. I really thought the language of international science, was english. Does that make me xenophobic, or just a typical American
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 9:03:55 PM

  • @RBeaner : i think, both.
    by Edano 5/18/2011 9:04:40 PM

  • @Edano C'est la vie! They do seem to release all the "official" stuff in English, but we here dig pretty deep for documents, the onus is on us to translate all the background docs. I wish google or the microsoft translator worked better though
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 9:07:12 PM

  • that is definately a good idea to suggest --airlines have to do english versions of everything I believe
    by elainekirk 5/18/2011 9:07:55 PM

  • @elainekirk the Air traffic control is english
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 9:08:36 PM

  • @Edano SL1 Human Error - lifted control rod too high
    TMI Human Error - did not respond properly to stuck valve
    Chernobyl Human Error - defeated safety devices and disregarded indications
    Fukushima Human Error - Design deficiences (gens in basement) and possible incorrect response

    Answer is Nuclear disaster can occur anywhere, and will with frightening regularity
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 9:15:31 PM

  • > Nuclear is a ruinously expensive way of generating electricity.

    Or as someone succinctly put it, "the most expensive and dangerous way ever invented to boil water."

    > Nuclear has always been a black hole into which tax and bill payer's money has been poured by officials and politicians.

    And also loved by politicians because much of the cost - especially waste management - can be pushed on to future generations, payment due long after they have left office and collected their plump non-exec positions on the boards of companies that have profited from their policies.

    Let's not forget the words of Chris Huhne before he got his government limo:

    * “Ministers must stop the side-show of new nuclear power stations now. Nuclear is a tried, tested and failed technology and the Government must stop putting time, effort and subsidies into reviving this outdated industry. The nuclear industry’s key skill over the past half-century has not been generating electricity, but extracting lashings of taxpayers’ money.”

    * "What we are effectively paying for here is decades of cheap nuclear electricity for which we have suddenly got a massive postdated bill."
    by Edano 5/18/2011 9:18:49 PM

  • @RBeaner ID 10 T errors.
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 9:19:25 PM

  • by Edano 5/18/2011 9:19:37 PM

  • @Edano nuclear has a role but what that role is and what areas needs to be rethought. As far as consumer power generation the numbers don't work out when you take all factors into consideration. If there was something else in people's back yards with the potential to do the kind of devastation that was done at FUku people would lose their minds. It would be more efficient to go after ways to reduce consumption and better technologies to make that happen. We we run into in the US is vested interests in people consuming huge amounts of electricity and gas so those simple changes are met with lots of money and obstacles
    by Nancy 5/18/2011 9:24:48 PM

  • @Nancy I wouldn't go that far. People make mistakes. How many times have you heard of a dr cutting off the wrong part. Any number of examples of concientious, knowledgeable people screwing up. We used to say a LOBA (Loss of brain accident) can cause LOCA.
    by RBeaner 5/18/2011 9:32:41 PM

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