Japan Earthquake

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@RBeaner the outcome is far too high of a risk to leave to human capabilities to handle things.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 9:37:10 PM

@RBeaner I am a living example of a Doctor making a wrong decision based on the information handed out by the Pharmaceutical Industry. They used me, they tested their drug on me when I was sick and that action ruined every day of my life until I am dead. There is no excuse for mistakes, and there is NO forgiveness when your life is ripped out from under you because someone make a "mistake."
by deb 5/18/2011 9:44:04 PM

Peter Melzer here ?
by Edano 5/18/2011 9:49:40 PM

@Edano We need a paging system. :-)
by Nancy 5/18/2011 9:52:26 PM

@deb Sorry to hear that. That is truely a tragedy. My point is that people simply make mistakes. For some they are small, for others they are catastrophic. Those plants were all given the best engineering of their day, and people screwed the pooch.
by RBeaner 5/18/2011 9:59:35 PM

Would this work for people to share documents. Since TEPCO etc. has a bad habit of making things go away? You can make yours public and share-able. This would remove the ability for one person to yank all the documents and it is free. The only catch with TEPCO documents you need to run them through an unlock tool first but there are a couple easy online ones. I just uploaded the non-translated one of this www.scribd.com
by Nancy 5/18/2011 10:00:59 PM

@RBeaner If they only took themselves out of the gene pool it would be one thing. But their mistakes are taking lots of innocent people out of the gene pool through delayed illnesses that will shorten their lives. Not to mention the permanent damage of large portions of land.

We get up in arms about a drunk driver causing harm to others yet something with such a wide potential to kill and damage is okey dokey? A large part of our problem is we have allowed private corporations to run NPPs. This is like giving a bomb to the most unstable person you know. They have socialized the risks and pocketed the profits. Running them under a system such as NASA (yea even they make mistakes) but they don't operate on a screw people and run off with the cash business model.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 10:04:00 PM

@you - running them under a govt. system such as NASA. I didn't write that well. Must need coffee.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 10:04:45 PM

PDF of Japan earthquakes from April 12 to April 30: www.tsunamioftears.com (data for 27th will be added later, only day that is missing)
by deb 5/18/2011 10:12:19 PM

@deb do you have file storage on the forum?
by Nancy 5/18/2011 10:14:38 PM

@deb : do you need more data ? www.iris.edu
by Edano 5/18/2011 10:17:12 PM

@Nancy I believe yes, Veenie needs to come out and answer that. He is the forum master, and that is his baby. I messed it up twice now, so leaving it alone.
by deb 5/18/2011 10:17:25 PM

@deb need to determine if people still want a central file sharing location and what documents are worth sharing out. I will try to catch him when he shows.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 10:18:29 PM

@Edano I love that site! Started messing with it earlier today to get data from the couple of days I missed out on global. thanks :)
by deb 5/18/2011 10:18:38 PM

@Nancy okay, will drop a note to him as well
by deb 5/18/2011 10:19:46 PM

@nancy thanks I will try that as soon as I reduce my tabs I am on a hunt the doc mission and there are sooo many dead ends
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 10:21:01 PM

I don't know if anybody has this doc there is a lot of text explaining the hazards and is what prompted the 2006 call for Nuclear Power Plants to carry out surveys and seismic evaluations
National seismic hazard maps for Japan 2005
docs.google.com
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 10:45:05 PM

This is a video from Dr. Dave DeSante, the founder of the Institute for Bird Population in Point Reyes, California. After the radioactive cloud from Chernobyl passed over the U.S. West Coast in the spring of 1986 his research uncovered a severe die-off of young birds.
by deb 5/18/2011 10:47:44 PM

Fukushima: Timeline, Facts, & Implications for Nuclear Power, Margaret Harding
by deb 5/18/2011 10:57:36 PM

3.4.1 Northern Japan region Fig. 3.4.1-1 shows the probabilities of shaking equal to or larger than seismic intensity 6 Lower, within 30 years from the present, for northern Japan. Areas shown are Hokkaido, Aomori Pref., Iwate Pref., Miyagi Pref., Akita Pref., Yamagata Pref. and Fukushima Pref. Areas with high probability are seen on the Pacific coast of Hokkaido, the Pacific coast of Miyagi Pref. and the Pacific coast of Fukushima Pref. Yamagata Basin and the Hachiro-gata region of Akita Pref. probabilities extend across the inland areas and to the Japan Sea side. Fig. 3.4.1-2 shows areas of major active faults on land and subduction-zone earthquakes in this region. In addition, there are areas with high probability in the Also, areas with fairly high
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 10:57:38 PM

back for awhile.. hello to all
by dean 5/18/2011 11:04:38 PM

hi dean
by deb 5/18/2011 11:05:00 PM

Hi dean!
by Nancy 5/18/2011 11:06:35 PM

nancy.. any catch up I need to do?
by dean 5/18/2011 11:07:46 PM

@all, I am shooting for less than a week to have the group website live. This is pending talking to RadioGuy to make sure there was not some other things we need doing that will take longer. We have the basic structure done, working on a few coding tweaks. Once we have the group name done I will finish the graphics for it. Once we are at that point we will get people logins, will be needing help getting all the initial content written and added and then we can be ready to go with ongoing posting of info.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 11:08:40 PM

@dean I was able to get the document translated I was working on yesterday. It was a TEPCO doc with bunches of images of water management, spraying etc. The translation fills in some details on their planned water system for cooling. It seemed odd or hard to do to me. Would love your thoughts on it. www.houseoffoust.com
by Nancy 5/18/2011 11:09:59 PM

Ill do Nancy also,, should I finish the write up for historical purposes
by dean 5/18/2011 11:10:50 PM

@Bobby1 @Reed and others interested in the CTBTO data. I was redirected from CTBTO back to the research dep of the defence ministry (FOI) here in Sweden (because as they explained to me the CTBTO does not have the right to give the data directly but the member states can chose to do so - you were correct Reed). It turns out that the leading scientist responsible for information regarding Fuku to the public in Sweden is LE De Geer - the very scientist who has conducted the studies about isotope signatures in the article you linked @Bobby1 www.nrl.moh.govt.nz and I talked with him today. He said that all the data is not easily
to access and they don't have time to out in work to give out the data in a presentable way to the public. But he could answer some quick q's and from what I understood he said they had not seen any clear proof of recriticality to any significant degree. Said something about the majority of the emissions anyway was I,Cs and Tellur (is it Tellurium in English?) which boils off at lower temps (around or at least below 1000 degrees C). I am sorry but I know very little about such things and I am not sure I got it right... Well, at least it answers that the data is accessible but it would require a lot of work to get it and personally I don't have the time.
by Jill in Sweden 5/18/2011 11:11:01 PM

@dean If it won't take forever to finish it would be worth adding to the website so people can understand it all in one place. Could be a good document to circulate around to get the site some initial traffic to let people know we are here.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 11:11:55 PM

@elainekirk Hello. Here is the Seismic Hazard Map of Japan for you... feww.files.wordpress.com
by Reed 5/18/2011 11:13:33 PM

@Jill in Sweden If you had a few questions to ask I would think something along the lines of how much is hitting other countries, what about stronium an plutonium. Since those are two that seem to concern people.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 11:13:50 PM

Reactor No. 6 now has over 6 feet of contaminated water in turbine building — Water in reactor building may cause cooling system to fail
May 18th, 2011 at 05:42 PM enenews.com
by deb 5/18/2011 11:13:52 PM

@deb. That is not allowed to be true! Man oh man!
by Scilla 5/18/2011 11:15:53 PM

@deb : uuups - new disaster arriving ?
by Edano 5/18/2011 11:16:24 PM

@deb jeez. what are the odds of water flowing into the other building? That one is in shutdown, could it still go off the deep end if it lost cooling?
by Nancy 5/18/2011 11:16:25 PM

@Nancy : the earthquake may have broken some pipes.
by Edano 5/18/2011 11:17:25 PM

teppy cam looks peaceful
pointscope01.jp
by Nancy via Pointscope01.jp 5/18/2011 11:17:54 PM

@Nancy : yes it can go toast without cooling. easily.
by Edano 5/18/2011 11:18:11 PM

@Edano at 6 as in leaking pathways? It seems really odd that they have contaminated groundwater over at 5-6. It is up higher and is considerably far away.

People were saying they seemed to be ignoring those two even though they were in shutdown.
by Nancy 5/18/2011 11:19:13 PM

Nancy.. I will try to get it finished up by Friday...
by dean 5/18/2011 11:19:26 PM

Radiation Poisoning Easy Way to Check for Radiation Think I will go out and get a newspaper :)
by deb 5/18/2011 11:19:31 PM

It is probably possible in other countries to ask about the CTBTO data too if there are info channels to the public that is prioritized about Fukushima (like Finland and Germany perhaps??) if anyone knows specifically what to ask if it is impractical to get all the data. @Nancy he said they did not see that if I got it all right but he also said they had prioritized down watching all the data so he had not looked extremely closely the last days (he did not worry). Well he is a guy I would trust, I think;-) anyway.
by Jill in Sweden 5/18/2011 11:19:37 PM

I@reed I was just showing they knew in 2005 there was possibly a 26% chance of a plus 6 quake at daiichi plant and a plus 26% chance close by and yet they let tepco fob them off re the 2006 call for evaluations. I know we all know but watchers come and go so a nice reminder :)
by elainekirk 5/18/2011 11:20:01 PM

@Jill in Sweden Wow, that is very interesting that you contacted the author of that study, and that he does not think it is proof of criticality. Hopefully the data will be released by a scientific organization.
by Bobby1 5/18/2011 11:20:14 PM