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@bo oh thanks - I hadn't heard of it -just thought it sounds a bit like what we're trying to doby UKVal 5/23/2011 8:52:48 PM
rob.. yeh to control skeeters..by dean 5/23/2011 8:53:47 PM- 'The Nuclear Consultation Group (NCG) comprise many of the leading UK
experts in the fields of environmental risk, radiation waste, energy policy,
energy economics, political science, social science, environmental justice,
environmental philosophy, particle physics, and democratic involvement.
It has been established to address the form and function of nuclear consultation
processes in the UK. It has already published a widely reviewed document,
Nuclear Consultation: Public Trust in Government. In particular the Group has
focused on the consultation processes that have been undertaken as part of the
development of energy policy and new nuclear power.' useful contacts? www.nuclearconsult.comby UKVal 5/23/2011 8:54:22 PM 
ASTM C1682 - 09 Standard Guide for Characterization of Spent Nuclear Fuel in Support of Geologic Repository Disposal
www.astm.orgby Rob in SF 5/23/2011 8:55:06 PM
Hi all! Back for a bit..congrats Dean! Anyone see the latest Tepco cam image? Lots of smoke. www.tepco.co.jpby LM 5/23/2011 8:55:06 PM
OMG the bugs are mutating! www.timog.com
by Nancy via Timog 5/23/2011 8:55:35 PM- @Nancy LOL!by LM 5/23/2011 8:56:18 PM
- from the paper below ' Radioactive waste remains an issue that is profoundly important and central to
the acceptability of nuclear power. In the face of this ‘unsolved problem’ the
government has decided to facilitate a new generation of nuclear reactors.
It has pointed to progress that has been made in establishing the concept of a
‘deep geological repository’ for our existing radioactive waste that could be
extended to take the waste from new reactors. Nothing of substance has been
said about the terrorist threat.
Spent fuel from the proposed reactors will contain the vast majority of the
radioactivity from the new reactors. This paper looks at what has been
disclosed about this new ‘high burnup’ spent fuel, and concludes that the
accumulation of this material on each reactor site will increase our vulnerability
to accidents and attack.by UKVal 5/23/2011 8:56:58 PM 
@Nancy "Would there be a way to do it in a passive way so it didn't have to be run like a typical reactor?" Sure, heat exchangers...
heatexchanger-design.comby Rob in SF via Heatexchanger-design 5/23/2011 8:58:03 PM
@Nancy was that picture taken in my dreams?by bo 5/23/2011 8:58:08 PM- The danger of allowing a department promoting nuclear power to make
regulatory decisions is that in ‘reducing regulatory risks for investors’ it will preempt
proper consideration of health detriments. It is for good reason that both
the European Union and International Atomic Energy Authority (IAEA) require
nuclear regulation to be free from any influence that may affect safety from same paper - sounds as if the IAEA needs to practice what it preachesby UKVal 5/23/2011 8:58:57 PM - @Nancy lol!by UKVal 5/23/2011 8:59:27 PM
- rob...something like that.. the HEAT from the spent fuel drives a shaft that drives the circulation and produces the electricity .. never stopsby dean 5/23/2011 8:59:45 PM
- plutonium prefered fuel tooby dean 5/23/2011 9:00:45 PM
- long 1/2 life.. more heat.. run for 30,000 years..by dean 5/23/2011 9:01:04 PM
Interesting company...
gravertech.com
gravertech.comby Rob in SF via Gravertech 5/23/2011 9:01:47 PM- Geological Disposal
Feasibility studies exploring options for
storage, transport and disposal of spent
fuel from potential new nuclear power
stations
November 2010 www.nda.gov.ukby UKVal 5/23/2011 9:06:25 PM - In 2009, the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority’s Radioactive Waste Management
Directorate (RWMD) contributed to the Generic Design Assessment process for new
nuclear reactor designs. RWMD undertook assessments under contract on behalf of
Westinghouse and Electricité de France and Areva NP, to consider the disposability in a
geological disposal facility of the higher activity wastes and spent nuclear fuel (SF) that
would be expected to arise from operation and decommissioning of the AP 1000 and UK
EPR reactor designs. RWMD concluded that given a disposal site with suitable
characteristics, the wastes and SF from the new nuclear reactor designs are expected to
be disposable.
The assessments noted that compared to legacy wastes and SF, no new issues arise
that challenge the fundamental disposability of the waste and SF arising from new
nuclear power stations. However, due to the higher burn-up proposed for SF in new
nuclear power stations, a longer period of cooling had been calculated to be necessary to
meet criteria for emplacement in a geological disposal facility. from paper belowby UKVal 5/23/2011 9:08:00 PM - @dean Perpetual motion SOLVED! ;^)by Rob in SF 5/23/2011 9:08:12 PM
@rob @dean make sure it has pneumatic legs to absorb quake movementby elainekirk 5/23/2011 9:09:16 PM- Fresh concerns about the movement of radioactive material by rail in Britain were raised yesterday after a train transporting a nuclear flask collided with a lorry at a level crossing. The Guardian 12th June 2002 www.guardian.co.ukby UKVal 5/23/2011 9:10:39 PM
@elainekirk "US and Japan have deal with Mongolia they are building Mongolia an npp and mongolia is letting them dump their waste fuel inside a mountain there " This seems so wrong on so many levels...
Certain people at the Department of Energy do believe Mongolia will agree to host a waste repository and are having relevant discussions. But every time the press reports on the progress of those discussions, the Mongolians vociferously deny it all.
The Mongolian public position ought to tell you something about the ability of the government to successfully site a regional waste repository.
The US denial would be more interesting if a State Department official had not already confirmed the existence of discussions in March. But he did.
It is unusual for US government officials to make false statements. Maybe a convenient omission here, a slight distortion there, spin things around a bit. But typically statements are true if read very, very literally. The DOE statement, however, is just not true. It reads “No discussions or potential fuel leasing services involve U.S.-origin spent nuclear fuel.”
lewis.armscontrolwonk.com
lewis.armscontrolwonk.comby Rob in SF via Lewis.armscontrolwonk 5/23/2011 9:12:33 PM- next weby dean 5/23/2011 9:14:32 PM
- by UKVal 5/23/2011 9:14:56 PM
Once the furor over Fukushima dies down, DOE will be back at it again with the Mongolians and those discussions will involve the safe, efficient handling, characterization, and disposition of US-obligated (née US-origin) spent nuclear fuel and high level waste.
I should note that I would support DOE in its efforts to create a regional spent fuel repository in Mongolia, if it weren’t a pipe dream. But it ain’t gonna happen. The Mongolians don’t want it. Look what happens everytime the US-Mongolia discussions are revealed in the press: Denials all around. DOE isn’t going to be able create a waste repository in secret. Sooner or later, the Mongolians have to demonstrate that they are willing and able to surmount the formidable public oppositon to becoming the region’s nuclear waste dump.
lewis.armscontrolwonk.comby Rob in SF 5/23/2011 9:14:56 PM
next we will hear of bringing fusion reactors back into play.. 100 times more power per gram.. less waste..by dean 5/23/2011 9:14:57 PM
by UKVal 5/23/2011 9:15:21 PM
@dean I always thought that fusion was the holy grail. Why not?by Rob in SF 5/23/2011 9:15:45 PM
@Rob in SF "It is unusual for US government officials to make false statements." Who believes that? Have we not enough evidence that they do make false statements? They've [US Government] been doing that since the 50's in other respects.by Pedro Jesus 5/23/2011 9:15:55 PM
@rob you just made my mind go blank I was gonna say something but mind content is now zilch...neigh I like the grey versionby elainekirk 5/23/2011 9:15:59 PM
every country is scared about the plutonium getting in to wrong hands.. just build a facilty and us spent fuel elements for fence posts.. then leave the gates openby dean 5/23/2011 9:16:19 PM
@elainekirk - These are not the thoughts you're looking for.by Rob in SF 5/23/2011 9:16:36 PM
@dean lol!by UKVal 5/23/2011 9:16:57 PM
@dean But they are. There are two Fusion Nuclear Power Plants being built, one in France and one in Japan as we speak.by Pedro Jesus 5/23/2011 9:17:03 PM
wow Pedroby dean 5/23/2011 9:17:18 PM
@Pedro Jesus trueby UKVal 5/23/2011 9:17:24 PM
@Pedro Jesus That struck me as funny too. But they're talking about official statements, about which they are pretty careful.by Rob in SF 5/23/2011 9:17:48 PM
time for a break.. will return .. ty allby dean 5/23/2011 9:17:54 PM
@Rob love the star wars refby Panserbjorne9 5/23/2011 9:24:31 PM
The UK should turn its stockpiles of spent nuclear fuel into a £10 billion ($16 billion) economic opportunity, according to a report from the Smith School of Enterprise and Environment.
David King, director of the institute and former chief scientific adviser to the government, said: “Currently the UK has a window of opportunity to deal with its nuclear material and spent fuel … and to maximise the value of its existing assets.”
The UK has likely the largest stockpile of spent nuclear fuel of any country, a legacy of its 20th century nuclear programme. This includes around 100 tonnes of separated plutonium and 6,000 tonnes of spent fuel from the country’s advanced gas-cooled reactors, as well as nuclear fuel to be generated by a proposed new fleet of power stations from 2018.
Rather than viewing this legacy as a liability, King said, “What we have accomplished is a large amount of useable uranium and a large amount of plutonium.”
He argued that the UK’s nuclear plan should not be held back by the suspected meltdown of the Fukushima plant in Japan. “Do we see that, as a result of the awful disaster in Japan, that we take a backwards step on dealing with the massive problems of global warming? I hope not,” King said at the report launch in London.
The UK government has reiterated its commitment to a new generation of nuclear power plants, despite the still-unfolding crisis in Japan. oilprice.comby UKVal 5/23/2011 9:25:09 PM
@Rob in SF But still, concerning UFO's, we have conflicting official statements. The US Government denies anything related to alien (meaning ET) activity on Earth and then a lot of other official documents state that something has been going on since the 50's events up to now. They say yes and no and then let people believe whatever they want to believe. It's been a quite successful strategy for ages. We have more recent examples of that (check Iraq affair).by Pedro Jesus 5/23/2011 9:25:12 PM
Abandoned quarters built by the former Soviet Army stand in the Mongolian village of Bayantal, the most likely site for the construction of a nuclear power plant. (Mainichi)
ULAN BATOR, Mongolia -- Japan's Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry and the U.S. Department of Energy have secretly been advancing plans to construct the world's first international storage and disposal facility for spent nuclear fuel in Mongolia, it has been learned.
The deal would enable Japan and the U.S., which lack disposal sites of their own, to counter efforts by Russia and France to market nuclear technology internationally by selling reactors and the disposal of nuclear waste services together as a set. Parties involved in negotiations acknowledged the secret plans when interviewed by the Mainichi.
mdn.mainichi.jp
mdn.mainichi.jpby Rob in SF via Mdn.mainichi.jp 5/23/2011 9:25:28 PM
@Pedro Jesus - Yeah, but when you read carefully, they generally don't outright lie, they weasel around with words like attorneys. (It's not an UFO if they can identify it...)by Rob in SF 5/23/2011 9:27:32 PM
ok I'll stop boring all you non Brits with stuff about the UK now. But you can see we have a problem. Small country - tons of waste some of which may be seen as potential fuel
I voted snp as soon as Scotland is non nuclear I will party I will even get a speedy zimmer frame orderedby UKVal edited by elainekirk 5/23/2011 9:28:07 PM
Mongolia also mines most of the worlds uranium ..by elainekirk 5/23/2011 9:28:34 PM
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