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  • YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ! (((((((((((

    Highly Contaminated Water Probably Leaking from the Central Waste Processing Facility at #Fukushima I Nuke Plant

    Remember TEPCO has been transporting the highly radioactive water from the turbine buildings to the basement of one of the buildings of the Central Waste Processing Facility after they said they had leak-proofed the Facility?

    Leak-proof? Not so. The water level at the building dropped 5 centimeters, TEPCO announced on May 26, and that's equivalent of 50 tonnes of water. But TEPCO also assures us that it is not leaking outside the building.

    As the article below says, the Reactor 3's turbine building alone has 22,000 tonnes of highly contaminated water. The transfer to this particular building of the Central Waste Processing Facility only reduced that amount by 3,660 tonnes.

    TEPCO claims AREVA's water processing facility will be ready in June and that will solve all kinds of problems. The cost of processing the contaminated water allegedly demanded by AREVA is 200 million yen (US$2.44 million) per tonne. (More about the shady AREVA contract later.)

    All kinds of other solutions like "water entombment" were going to solve all kinds of problems, until TEPCO had to reveal that both the RPV and the Containment Vessel had holes.

    From Mainichi Shinbun Japanese (11:25AM JST 5/26/2011):

     東京電力は26日、福島第1原発3号機のタービン建屋から移送した汚染水の受け入れ施設で、1日で約5センチの水位の低下が見つかったと発表した。周辺地下水の分析結果に変動がないことから、東電は「施設から外に漏れだしている可能性は低い」と説明している。

    TEPCO announced on May 26 that the facility that received the contaminated water from the Reactor 3 turbine building at Fukushima I Nuke Plant saw the water level at the facility dropped by 5 centimeters in one day. The analysis of the ground water around the facility didn't show a marked increase in radioactive materials, which led TEPCO to conclude that it was unlikely that the contaminated water had leaked from the facility.

     3号機の汚染水は17日から集中廃棄物処理施設の一つの建屋地下に移送していたが、満杯に近づいたとして25日午前9時過ぎに移送を中断した。そ の後に水位を確認したところ、同日午前11時から26日午前7時までの間に48ミリ低下していた。水量は約50立方メートルに相当するとみられる。

    TEPCO started to transfer the contaminated water from the Reactor 3 to the basement of one of the buildings that makes up the Central Waste Processing Facility on May 17, and stopped the transfer at 9AM on May 25 as the basement almost became full. But when the water level was measured at 7AM on May 26, it had decreased by 48 millimeters (4.8 centimeters) since 11AM on May 25. The decrease is equivalent of about 50 cubic meters [or 50 tonnes].

     東電は「処理施設建屋の地下2階で止水工事が不十分な場所から、(同施設の)別の建物との連絡通路に漏れている可能性がある」と原因を推測。外部 への漏えいが見つかれば汚染水を別の場所に再び移送する必要が出てくる。しかし、現在2号機の汚染水を移送している同施設の別の建屋もほぼ満杯になってお り、移送先の確保は難航が予想される。

    TEPCO thinks "there is a possibility that the 2nd floor of the basement in the building may have places that are not totally leak-proof, and the water is leaking from there into the corridor that connects to the other building of the [Central Waste Processing] Facility." If the leaks are found, the contaminated water there needs to be transported to somewhere else. However, the building that's been receiving the contaminated water from the Reactor 2 is almost full, and it will be hard to secure the space for the transfer.
     3号機タービン建屋では、高濃度の放射性物質を含む約2万2000立方メートルの汚染水が見つかっている。移送先の施設は約4000立方メートルの受け入れが可能だが、計3660立方メートルを移送した時点で中断した。

    There are 22,000 cubic meters [22,000 tonnes] of highly contaminated water in the Reactor 3 turbine building. The building that this water was being transferred to has the capacity of 4,000 cubic meters [4,000 tonnes], but the transfer was halted after 3,660 cubic meters [3,660 tonnes] of the water had been transferred.
    by Veenie 5/26/2011 7:03:16 AM

  • @Veenie They never fail to deliver do they? So where has that water gone???
    by Angie 5/26/2011 7:10:40 AM

  • @Bobby1 I live in Shikoku. Used to tell myself that puts us far away from Fukushima, but everyday that sounds less reassuring.
    by Will 5/26/2011 7:12:05 AM

  • @Will I noticed that radiation levels in Osaka have risen recently. That's not reassuring. But here in the US we are not only helpless, but mostly ignorant of what is happening.
    by Bobby1 5/26/2011 7:15:02 AM

  • @Will I think you have done the right thing taking your daughter out of school. As a mother of 3 kids I would of done the same. The fact that Tepco's stories keep changing does not make for reasurance. I feel for you having to stay there through this.
    by Angie 5/26/2011 7:17:43 AM

  • @Angie Yes, I have followed this group from when it was on Reuters. It is the most helpful source. My wife and I also follow the domestic media in Japan very carefully. It scares us. I am not particularly computer literate I'm afraid, so I find it a bit hard to communicate stories from here with links. Sorry. One quick example though, several days ago - when the British embassy was saying no concerning levels of radiation would move beyond 60km (or at most the 60-80km range) - the Japanese media carried a report of farmers being told across huge areas of north-east Japan not to feed grass to dairy or beef cattle and not to burn it either because of radiation concerns. We are talking 300km or so from Fukushima Daiichi plant. It just does not add up. Actually we have made the very hard decision to leave Japan. Maybe extreme, but we aren't being told what is happening enough to make decent calculations and we have two children. As my wife is Japanese though she needs a visa, and that brings us back to the British embassy. Wonderful!
    by Will 5/26/2011 7:28:46 AM

  • @Will I'm glad you're leaving. You know, most of Japanese food is safe... but the government has decided to allow Fukushima food & from nearby areas to be sold. So you don't know whether it's good or not. I hope you are not coming to the US because all the food is bad, or will be soon.
    by Bobby1 5/26/2011 7:33:25 AM

  • You might want to save the images for research on their functions
    The IAEA Team To Figure Out #Fukushima Disaster: A good doctor in Kumamoto, Japan who writes a blog in Japanese ... bit.ly
    by Veenie edited by Angie 5/26/2011 7:36:46 AM

  • Has anyone else noticed that the earthquakes in Japan have suddenly gone quiet for more than a day now? Or is that just the USGS asleep at the switch?
    by bojack54 5/26/2011 7:46:33 AM

  • @bojack54, I was just going to come on here and mention that !!! They have just stopped... If the plates were slowing down their movements, the quakes would have slowly gotten smaller and then stopped, but they have just stopped. The East end of the plate in California and the West US coast is still actively moving. That means that Japan is possibly now going to get some large "fracture" quakes, instead of the smaller "movement" quakes. Not a good situation for the nuke plant !!
    by wtm 5/26/2011 7:51:24 AM

  • @bojack54 Usgs also stopped reporting the eq's in New Zealand as well. The best place is straight to the Japan met. www.jma.go.jp they have been having them!
    by Angie 5/26/2011 7:55:08 AM

  • @Will, for your kids sake, get out as soon as able !!!! The GoJ does not want to cause a panic, so they are covering a lot of things up, they have too. What can they really do about it ? Nothing, it has already happened !!! It will get even worse if at some time in the future the wind direction changes and blows the air towards the more populated cities. Then everyone will be trying to leave and won't be able too.
    by wtm 5/26/2011 7:56:22 AM

  • @Bobby1 Thank you. Europe is where we are heading, visa permitting. Japan has been home on and off for the last 2 decades though. Yes, we are concerned about the food. When the government released milk for sale from a town about 30km from Fukushima Daiichi we just gave up any final lingering element of trust! The food supply is complex too of course. School meals have been a concern. One of the major supermarkets is making a point of selling food from Fukushima to help the area recover. Great. Fish farmed down here should be okay but then the food for them comes from Tohoku...and on it goes. Anyway, thanks to everyone on this group.
    by Will 5/26/2011 7:56:30 AM

  • There have been 13 eq's today alone.
    by Angie 5/26/2011 7:56:40 AM

  • @Will You stay safe and as hard as it is you are doing the right thing by leaving.........
    by Angie 5/26/2011 7:58:23 AM

  • @Will, there was 3 nuclear bombs dropped on Japan during WWII, the Japanese people had to endure the radiation from those, and the GoJ and many citizens should remember what that was like, and what happened to the people during the aftermath. Essentially Japan has been bombed again, only this time it was by TEPCO !!!! The GoJ should know what the consequences are from that !!!!
    by wtm 5/26/2011 8:05:03 AM

  • @wtm : 3 ?
    by Edano 5/26/2011 8:07:38 AM

  • @Edano You are naked and the gremlins keeps taking you again!
    by Angie 5/26/2011 8:08:01 AM

  • @Angie : yes, tho i have my avatar in the comment box. always me !
    by Edano 5/26/2011 8:09:19 AM

  • @wtm : 3 ? or 2 bombs ?
    by Edano 5/26/2011 8:09:50 AM

  • Close ups on TBS Cam
    by wtm 5/26/2011 8:14:05 AM

  • @edano, thought it was 3 maybe only 2 ?
    by wtm 5/26/2011 8:15:47 AM

  • by Edano via I55.tinypic 5/26/2011 8:15:53 AM

  • by Edano via I51.tinypic 5/26/2011 8:15:53 AM

  • by Edano via I56.tinypic 5/26/2011 8:15:53 AM

  • @wtm : nagasaki & hieroshima.
    by Edano 5/26/2011 8:16:49 AM

  • @Edano, you are right !!!
    by wtm 5/26/2011 8:20:35 AM

  • @Edano, tthis goes to prove my point the Japanese people know this stuff, why are they turning their heads the other ways now ?
    by wtm 5/26/2011 8:21:21 AM

  • @Edano, TEPCO has now literally dropped 3 atomic bombs on Japan now !!!
    by wtm 5/26/2011 8:23:03 AM

  • Nite all, getting late here in the desert !
    by wtm 5/26/2011 8:29:37 AM

  • @wtm night!
    by Angie 5/26/2011 8:30:59 AM

  • good morning people . @Will I am glad you have decided and if your going helps just one other family to make that decision and go too that would be great. Re the quakes I always believe that it is connected to Iceland and they have a fracture on the North American plate , Grimsvotn only erupted for a couple of days, Iceland is called the land of fire and ice and Katla volcano has been grumbling a long time - something is going to happen and maybe Japan know that, maybe they know that Fukushima is likely to take a big hit soon?
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:37:28 AM

  • @elainekirk morning!
    by Angie 5/26/2011 8:43:59 AM

  • g'morning @Angie
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 8:45:10 AM

  • @elainekirk Ash all gone today?
    by Angie 5/26/2011 8:54:22 AM

  • Particle Size Distributions of Radioactive Aerosols in the Environment
    M.-D. Dorrian
    Abstract

    Published measurements of Activity Median Aerodynamic Diameter (AMAD) of environmental aerosols were surveyed in order to determine a realistic default value for estimating doses to members of the public (i.e. the value to be used in dose assessments in the absence of specific information). Reported AMADs for artificially produced radioactive aerosols ranged from 0.3 to 18 µm and on fitting a single log-normal function gave a median value of 1.5 µm. The distribution did, however, show some evidence of being bimodal. Most of the measured AMADs fell into two distinct categories: aerosols released into the atmosphere by the Chernobyl accident and those produced by resuspension of radioactive material deposited on the ground or released into the sea. The distributions of measured AMADs for each category were well fitted by single log-normal functions with median values of 0.6 and 6µm respectively. The distribution of AMADs for 7Be, a natural radioactive aerosol produced in the atmosphere by cosmic gamma rays, had a median value of 0.6 µm. It is concluded that for exposure of the public to radioactive aerosols in the environment a 1 µm AMAD, as recommended by ICRP in Publication 66, is a realistic rounded default value. However, public exposures arising from inhalation of material resuspended into the atmosphere are more realistically represented by a 5 µm AMAD, as recommended by ICRP for workplace exposures.

    Radiation Protection Dosimetry
    rpd.oxfordjournals.org
    by Rob in SF 5/26/2011 8:59:13 AM

  • The removal of radioactive aerosols by electric fields

    Abstract
    Aspects of the motion of radioactive aerosol in electric fields are discussed. A revised estimate of the self-charging of radioactive aerosol in confined geometries is presented and used to estimate the self-generated electric field towards the wall. The enhancement of this field and decrease in negative ion concentration near the wall are calculated, but, in contrast to the atmospheric case, the extent of the enhanced region in confined geometries is shown to be very small. Consequently, aerosol removal by this field is likely to be negligible. Estimates are made of the strength of an imposed external field and the dimension of a confined geometry needed for effective removal of a radioactive aerosol from a gas stream.
    by Rob in SF 5/26/2011 9:03:38 AM

  • Determination of some parameters of radioactive aerosol removal from the atmosphere.
    onlinelibrary.wiley.com
    by Rob in SF 5/26/2011 9:07:30 AM

  • @Rob in SF The smallest AMAD in the study was 0.3 µm. I recently bought an air cleaner that removes particles down to 0.003 µm. It's possible to filter the particles out.
    by Bobby1 5/26/2011 9:13:59 AM

  • @angie yes ash gone
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 9:31:22 AM

  • Elaine I am out for the night now........my head is killing me! You guys have a good day!
    by Angie 5/26/2011 9:36:16 AM

  • @angie hope you feel better after some sleep , take care
    by elainekirk 5/26/2011 9:37:43 AM

  • Oota Huku Kanazawa University professors have developed a powder to purify contaminated water efficiency, including radioactive materials. Results of the research stage but can handle 1000 tons of water per hour translate.google.com
    by Bobby1 5/26/2011 9:41:31 AM

  • earthquake.usgs.gov
    Magnitude 4.7 - VOLCANO ISLANDS, JAPAN REGION
    2011 May 26 08:44:00 UTC
    by Maureen Burke 5/26/2011 9:50:24 AM

  • earthquake.usgs.gov
    Magnitude 5.6 - FLORES REGION, INDONESIA
    2011 May 26 08:57:32 UTC
    by Maureen Burke 5/26/2011 9:51:01 AM

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