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@UKVal the Egyptian is a torrent search site, a friend of a friend I once knew but has died,,, told me 95% of torrents are illegal downloads of copyrighted material.
by RBeaner 5/28/2011 1:33:52 PM

@RBeaner that's not what he says he was doing- he may be 'protesting too much' but it pays to be cautious -esp in the current climate where so much is being surpressed
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:35:10 PM

@radioguy -agreed. i always knew our freedoms were in jeopardy - but never so much as at present
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:35:57 PM

@UKVal is the new site part of this link or is it a seperate enity, that would be seperate from the here?
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:36:22 PM

@radioguy I have some understanding of nuke power, radiation and high finance, but ""ScribeFire for WordPress because it's as easy as highlighting the extract in the article, using menu or hot-key to Blog this Page" is well beyond my comfort zone!! LOL
by RBeaner 5/28/2011 1:36:24 PM

@radioguy I understand that, I was raised to believe in our government, that they were there for the people, respected the police who were "heros". As an adult, the truth has been a painful change of opinion.
by deb 5/28/2011 1:36:31 PM

@RBeaner This is probably true, but let me put this out to you. Say I (music director of a radio station) download a copy of the new Flatulent Squids album using an "illegal" torrent site. Since we pay our rights and licensing, and are already paying royalties when we put it on the air, is it a crime if I download it from there, thereby saving the record label the cost of the materials and shipping to send me the free copy they would because they want radio play?
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:36:46 PM

And what if I already BOUGHT the Flat Squids in Cassette, LP, CD, and now my copy of the CD is dead, so I download one? They are always insistent about the fact that we "don't buy the music, just the right to hold and play it on our own systems, how many times do we have to pay for that right? if the media is irrelevant, why do we have to keep paying for new copies?
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:39:00 PM

@radioguy if the download is free. what is the purpose of just not using thiers?
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:39:19 PM

In the newspaper industry, advertising specifically, we were told to change 10% of an ad that another media/agency had created. That overcame copyright issues.
by deb 5/28/2011 1:39:22 PM

it's not a download...they have to send it to you
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:39:48 PM

@radioguy <if the media is irrelevant, why do we have to keep paying for new copies?> absolutely!
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:40:15 PM

I'm just pointing out how hopelessly inconsistent the law is.
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:40:21 PM

Information wants to be free. - Stewart Brand
by Rob in SF 5/28/2011 1:40:56 PM

@radioguy don't really understand the diff, except i quess download is immediate and sending has a time delay
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:41:13 PM

@deb I'm supraied only 10% change was considered acceptable - I'd expect more like 90%
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:41:26 PM

@UKVal I bought my first copy of Dark Side of the Moon when it first came. I should, under their "legal algorithm" be given free replacements of that album for life under their definition.
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:42:20 PM

@UKVal the egyptians website was called torrent-finder.com, now it has moved to Sweden and renamed it to torrent-finder.info. openchannel.msnbc.msn.com
by RBeaner 5/28/2011 1:43:01 PM

@UKVal being not of the internet era!! its no different than buying a book and losing it! they are't going to send a new one because you lost your old one.... personaly I agree that downloaded items should be replaceable.. for free
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:43:09 PM

@radioguy good point. My old vinyl copy is scratched -I'll ask for a replacement! LOL!
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:43:34 PM

@fitter But if you can show them the receipt, they should let you download a new copy.
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:43:56 PM

@UKVal if your talking about a record you are showing your age.... funny day in my life was when my son came in from the grage and asked me "what these were" he was 8. they were my old album collection
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:45:14 PM

@deb "In the newspaper industry, advertising specifically, we were told to change 10% of an ad that another media/agency had created. That overcame copyright issues." Seriously? No wonder newspapers are out of business. That's absurd vis a vis advertising copyright law.
by Rob in SF 5/28/2011 1:45:24 PM

@fitter I know I'm ancient... I feel it sometimes...
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:45:52 PM

@radioguy I'm not saying I agree, you purcahse the right to enjoy the music in a paricular form, cd,cassete,digital etc.. for the life of that product. no others. that digital download from the torrent site would be illegal.
by RBeaner 5/28/2011 1:46:20 PM

@UKVal you seem to have manovered the tech field much better than me!
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:46:36 PM

@fitter bits of it. like music downloads etc (legal ones only). I like new techology. Other things pas me by...
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:47:39 PM

in music, it's under 8 bars you can steal and have it not be stealing, but now with sampling, even that's a battleground. What if the beat you sample is only only 2 bars long? Say you steal the two bars that make up the whole driving musical hook of "Here Comes the Rain again?" it's only 2 bars...but you repeat it over and over as your beat.
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:47:57 PM

@UKVal do you know what an eight track is??? (this is an age identification test)
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:47:58 PM

@fitter yes I do- but I never went into that format but lots of my friends did & got stung...
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:48:51 PM

@radioguy there have been copyright challenges over a line or two from a song..
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:49:42 PM

@fitter We went out of the way to get and modify an 8-track player so we can play all media on air. We even have one of the old 16rpm players. the big 16" disks.
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:50:22 PM

@UKVal had my daughter take most of the best "old records" and leave the album covers, so we did nto know they were gone! used to have a great collection...
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:50:31 PM

@radioguy wow - my Dad had loads of those old disks..
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:51:21 PM

@UKVal ah... so now we add in the differences between Music copyright and Lyrical. See. it just gets more and more muddy. It's a system designed to make LAWYERS rich.
by radioguy 5/28/2011 1:52:19 PM

@radioguy oh dear -It's certainly a minefield, but i guess we better stop this convo as it's off track...
by UKVal 5/28/2011 1:53:09 PM

@radioguy agree there!! time to get some work done! have a good day. Stay out of jail... do we need a bail fund?
by fitter 5/28/2011 1:53:24 PM

@fitter we'll have to cross that Fuku when we get there! LOL
by RBeaner 5/28/2011 1:54:54 PM

@radioguy - "in music, it's under 8 bars you can steal and have it not be stealing"
I don't think that's ever actually been case law, and IIRC there was a precedent Rolling Stones case that defined it down to 5 notes "in recognizable progression" or some such nonsense.
by Rob in SF 5/28/2011 1:56:20 PM