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  • Thanks @Nancy! That document does say the 32 assemblies were moved from the pool. We can probably assume there were more left in the SFP during the EQ and tsunami.
    by LM 6/6/2011 2:25:25 AM

  • @lillymunster you might want to take a look at this site. in no way do i agree with the authors opinion on NPP's but there is a lot of information available here: www.hiroshimasyndrome.com Q - When you mention seawater contamination levels, you never say anything about Cesium. Why?

    A - Cesium is not considered to be nearly the health hazard of Iodine in sea water, unless the concentrations are extremely high...100 (for Cs-137) to 1000 (Cs-134) times greater than the I-131 health standard. No one drinks sea water, of course, but it is something to consider with respect to the sea's food fishes. Cesium is only mildly soluble and when ingested through water it passes through the body very rapidly...no longer than a day or two. Very little actually gets into the meat of the fish. On the other hand, Iodine is much more soluble in water and has a much longer retention time in the fish's body of up to 80 days (the radioactive lifetime of I-131). Regardless, the Cesium levels found in the seas have not approached the health standards for more than a month.
    by Tenzing 6/6/2011 2:28:37 AM

  • @lillymunster and: Q - Can you better explain the process by which hydrogen is produced in a nuclear reactor? Did the very visible Fukushima explosions---reported as “hydrogen” based---actually mean the reactor core was somewhat exposed and therefore some stage of early meltdown had occurred?

    A - Boiling Water Reactors are not cooled with hydrogen, and there is not enough radiolysis inside a nuclear reactor to be worthy of mention. The Hydrogen production at Fukushima was probably due to the water level inside the three stricken reactors dipping below the tops of the fuel cells, if not a lot lower. Once "uncovered" the zirconium tubes (cladding) which holds the uranium pellets rapidly heat up in the steam environment above the water level. The interaction of overheated zirconium and steam generates the free hydrogen, and the more of the fuel cell that gets uncovered the more hydrogen that gets produced. Inside the reactor, this hydrogen is in no danger of ignition because there is no "spark" for ignition and the steam/water atmosphere is incorrect for ignition. The explosive danger occurs outside the reactor if and when pressure relief valves open to the suppression pool (torus) and the hydrogen becomes free in the building atmosphere. The buildup in the upper refueling deck areas of the three stricken power plants at Fukushima must have been terrific, judging by the video of Unit No. 1 blowing its top off.

    Has there been fuel damage in these three reactors? It now seems safe to say yes. Meltage of the fuel matrix? Quite possibly. However, the degree of fuel matrix meltage cannot be ascertained, as yet. It took five years of jumping through all the legal hoops at TMI before the reactor vessel was actually opened and we found out just what level of fuel damage had actually occurred. I pray it doesn't take as long to get the Fukushima reactor vessels opened. Until opened, no one could possibly know what the extent of fuel damage actually is. www.hiroshimasyndrome.com
    by Tenzing 6/6/2011 2:29:43 AM

  • “It ain’t what you don’t know that counts. It’s what you know that ain’t so.” (Will Rogers)
    www.hiroshimasyndrome.com
    Did you know...
    ...Mother Nature is totally nuclear.
    ...Uranium is not a natural explosive.
    ...Three Mile Island’s accident was a severe meltdown.
    ...Bomb fallout is very different from nuclear power plant radiation releases.
    ...Low-level radiation is not dangerous, in fact it might be necessary to human health.
    Although many people might find them counter-intuitive, all of the above statements are correct. well, its a free country and were all entitled to our opinions and the freedom to express them, right :)
    by Tenzing 6/6/2011 2:32:56 AM

  • @LM We don't know. I need to get the link from Elaine for the NRC paper. Not sure WHY the US NRC has records of a MOX shipment from France to Japan. This involved the 2006 shipment that nobody can track down. There were plans to use MOX at Kashiwazaki-Kariwa but that never happened. I can't remember if other plants have ever implemented it or not.
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:34:26 AM

  • @lillymunster , it is an export license. The fuel must have originated in the U.S.
    by Peter Melzer 6/6/2011 2:39:51 AM

  • Question folks, sorry if this is a stupid question - trying to learn more as usual. I just listened again to Arnie back in April talk about Reactor 3 ( www.fairewinds.com ). He talks about an explosion from a "fuel pool" but says the reactor is intact. Is this the SPENT fuel pool he means? Or is this some other type of fuel pool that exists outside the reactor?
    by Darren 6/6/2011 2:42:40 AM

  • @Peter Melzer That is what was odd about it. The fuel was made at Areva's plant in france and destination being Japan. I can't find a copy searching online and I don't think I made a copy of it.
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:42:50 AM

  • IIRC we saw an export license for the 1999 shipment of 4.6% enriched Uranium headed for Fuku via Tokai that originated at Areva's Richland, WA reactor.
    by RadioGuy 6/6/2011 2:43:08 AM

  • Look tinto export restrictions from Europe..perhaps?
    by Veenie 6/6/2011 2:43:41 AM

  • @Darren It would be the spent fuel pool. Two places have fuel in the reactors right now. In the RPV, well that is where it SHOULD be before it melted. :-) and the spent fuel pool in each unit.
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:43:52 AM

  • I'm not sure I ever saw an export license for the 2006 shipment.
    by RadioGuy 6/6/2011 2:43:53 AM

  • @RadioGuy Do you remember the two shipment thing? 1999 and possibly another in 2006?
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:44:21 AM

  • I thought the 1999 MOX shipment actually originated with Belgionucleaire (subsidiary of AREVA)
    by smoss 6/6/2011 2:45:27 AM

  • @lillymunster - I remember it. Was about 7 weeks ago that that information came out.
    by Lethbridgean 6/6/2011 2:45:42 AM

  • @lillymunster Thanks. So I thought a worst-case scenario was the explosion of a spent fuel pool. Has that actually happened at reactor 3? The building itself is almost completely rubble, yet there was video of looking inside the reactor 3's spent fuel pool also and talk of things still being in it. I can't seem to find much about the details of what the pool's state is basically, and I'm looking to understand. I thought the explosion of a spent fuel pool was "new, uncharted territory" for nuclear science.
    by Darren 6/6/2011 2:45:51 AM

  • Was just doing a bit of interwebs wandering adn found this: www.jimstonefreelance.com anyone else see this?? he thinks that reactor 3 is GONE.

    by Meretisa via Jimstonefreelance 6/6/2011 2:50:32 AM

  • not sure I buy his theory as to why though.
    by Meretisa 6/6/2011 2:50:56 AM

  • @Darren It depends who you ask. Some thought there was a critcality in 3's SFP, others claim it couldn't happen. There are lots of things going on in 3's explosions & damage that nobody has been able to pin point for sure. The one known is how huge the blast was compared to all the other reactors.
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:51:03 AM

  • I found this claiming it was 1999 and 2001 "In 1999 and 2001, the shipments contained 60 MOX fuel assemblies for use in Tepco's Fukishima I-3 and Kashiwazaki-Kariwa 3 BWR units, respectively."
    Kashiwazaki never had MOX installed. So those extra rods are either at FUKU or at Kashiwazaki. I think the 2001 shipment referred to is the "other" one I thought was 2006. Will need to check with Elaine when she is back in for sure. She had documents on all of that. www.world-nuclear.org
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:53:40 AM

  • @lillymunster , I guess they just mixed it up and packaged it in France.
    by Peter Melzer 6/6/2011 2:54:42 AM

  • @lillymunster thanks for the clarification. So I guess my real question is, do we know if most of the fuel in SFP 3 was actually thrown out of it? The video of that pool looks pretty much like nothing is intact... I don't even see anything that could resemble a fuel rod. It's just coils and wires and concrete..
    by Darren 6/6/2011 2:56:04 AM

  • @Meretisa I don't buy his theory, but the pictures are eerily similar, aren't they?
    by Darren 6/6/2011 2:57:18 AM

  • @Peter Melzer check out the link I posted. It mentions all the back and forth shipment. They send spent fuel to Europe, have it turned into MOX and then have MOX rods and remaining radioactive waste shipped back that they have to store.
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:57:36 AM

  • @Darren yeah. I don't buy the theory, but the idea that 3 may be completely blown.. that seems scarily plausible, doesn't it??
    by Meretisa 6/6/2011 2:58:15 AM

  • @smoss There were two parts to that. The original 1999 MOC shipment was from British Nuclear Fuels.
    BNFL's MOX fiasco: BNFL's MOX fiasco
    by RadioGuy 6/6/2011 2:58:31 AM

  • by RadioGuy 6/6/2011 2:58:53 AM

  • @Meretisa Ah the Israeli camera "theory". No I don't buy it. :-)
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 2:59:38 AM

  • Opps, here's the quickView of that MOX fiasco PDF www.google.com
    by RadioGuy 6/6/2011 2:59:47 AM

  • MOX Battle: Mixed Oxide Nuclear Fuel Raises Safety Questions. www.scientificamerican.com
    by LM 6/6/2011 3:00:11 AM

  • @lillymunster agreed on the theory, am mainly looking at the pictures of 3 and the concept that it could be blown. would explain the pieces of rods a mile away.
    by Meretisa 6/6/2011 3:00:35 AM

  • But for the shipment it looked like the enriched uranium came from Richland, and the replacement MOX from Belgium, right?
    by RadioGuy 6/6/2011 3:00:51 AM

  • @RadioGuy I thought the BNL fuel was slated for another NPP, not Fukushima.
    by smoss 6/6/2011 3:01:06 AM

  • @smoss The shipment that was turned back was not for Fuku. If I had a dollar for every time I see "falsified data" related to the nuke industry.....
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 3:02:56 AM

  • Here we go. AboveTopSecret has a collective analysis. www.abovetopsecret.com
    by RadioGuy 6/6/2011 3:03:34 AM

  • TRANSPORT OF MOX FUEL FROM EUROPE TO JAPAN www.innuserv.com www.kimointernational.org

    by Tenzing via Kimointernational.org 6/6/2011 3:04:24 AM

  • @Meretisa Yeah. But just to fully keep things in perspective, read his whole post on www.jimstonefreelance.com . If we are to believe what he is saying, the earthquake itself is part of an elaborate coverup in conjunction with creating nuclear weapons, not running a power plant.
    by Darren 6/6/2011 3:04:52 AM

  • @Meretisa 3's SFP is a wreck. We all saw how epic that blast was. It could have shot fuel from the SFP or in the steam etc. out of the reactor since it was likely melting by that point.
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 3:05:08 AM

  • TEPCO mulls ways to cut humidity in No.2 reactor
    The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant says it will try to reduce humidity inside the Number 2 reactor building.
    Tokyo Electric Power Company says humidity and high radiation levels mean workers can work only for short periods of time even if they wear protective gear.

    TEPCO says it plans to reduce the amount of radioactive materials inside the reactor building and then open the doors to lower humidity, now at 99.9 percent. The decision came after the failure of its initial attempt to bring down the humidity level. The company initially thought vapor from a storage pool of spent nuclear fuel was responsible for the high humidity. It installed a device to cool down the water. The device cooled down the water but failed to reduce the humidity.
    At the Number 1 reactor, a device to reduce radioactive substances was installed in May. But TEPCO says the device needs to be adjusted for the Number 2 reactor since it has low resistance to humidity.

    It is possible that radioactive substances will leak out of the Number 2 reactor building once the doors are open. TEPCO says it will make a final decision after carefully assessing the levels of radioactivity.
    Work to fix a water level gauge was supposed to begin as early as mid-June, to help ensure stable cooling. But there may be a delay if the company cannot reduce the humidity.

    Monday, June 06, 2011 05:13 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by estacion 6/6/2011 3:05:24 AM

  • @Darren One would have to consume a truck load of meth for that conspiracy theory to make sense....but that is just my opinion. :-)
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 3:06:10 AM

  • So is there any active work underway to do anything about unit 3? I only hear chatter about 1 and 2. I can't recall any updates on unit 3 in many days now, maybe I'm wrong...
    by Darren 6/6/2011 3:06:33 AM

  • @lillymunster yes, I'm on-board with your assessment. A truckload of meth sounds scientifically accurate lol
    by Darren 6/6/2011 3:06:59 AM

  • @Darren @lillymunster agreed and understood about him. was more looking at the #3 and wondering if he is on to something about it being "gone". that blast was huge.
    by Meretisa 6/6/2011 3:07:10 AM

  • @Darren They had robots in last month. Workers inside messing with equipment in an outer building area a few weeks ago. IIRC for timing. 3 has some really high rad levels in rubble outside. No real explanation why they are avoiding 3.
    by lillymunster 6/6/2011 3:08:07 AM

  • archive.greenpeace.org
    1 September 1999 CONFIDENTIAL DIPLOMATIC DOCUMENTS REVEAL U.S. PROLIFERATION CONCERNS OVER JAPAN'S PLUTONIUM PROGRAM: GREENPEACE ACCUSES CLINTON ADMINSTRATION OF POLICY FAILURE IN NORTH-EAST ASIA
    Sorry, we can't find that page!
    The page might be extinct...

    by Tenzing via Archive.greenpeace.org 6/6/2011 3:08:09 AM

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