Japan Earthquake

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@Peter Melzer not sure i want to know, ignorance is bliss if you live to close and can't change it
by fitter 6/6/2011 11:42:48 PM

@fitter - Read this as well It has more to do with the testing that GE neglected
graphics8.nytimes.com
by Lethbridgean 6/6/2011 11:44:38 PM

@Lethbridgean that was an interesting letter! to asy the least
by fitter 6/6/2011 11:46:40 PM

Gov't may expand scope of evacuation order in Fukushima TOKYO —

The government is considering expanding the scope of its evacuation order to include people from certain spots that are emitting high levels of radiation as a result of the nuclear accident at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in March, government officials said Monday.

The government will be discussing with municipalities these so-called ‘‘hot spots’’ suffering from radiation exposure that would exceed the yardstick of 20 millisieverts during the course of a year.

A hot spot refers to an area that has a high level of radiation following rain or as a result of landscape or wind conditions that affect the direction in which radioactive materials travel after being released into the air. www.japantoday.com
by Majj 6/6/2011 11:49:17 PM

Hi all.
by carabnr 6/6/2011 11:50:13 PM

@fitter - NO kidding eh!!. Don't thank me for digging that one up. MB posted it on Saturday night.
by Lethbridgean 6/6/2011 11:52:02 PM

@Lethbridgean those are great that last letter is great
by fitter 6/6/2011 11:56:36 PM

@carabnr hello...
by fitter 6/6/2011 11:57:23 PM

@Lethbridgean please keep me in mind if you see any more like that... I need to understand the designs first, but also need good back up like that to fight the fight
by fitter 6/6/2011 11:58:33 PM

@Lethbridgean every one keeps writing that th new ones are safe, problem is until they blow one up they really don't know how well it will do!
by fitter 6/7/2011 12:01:22 AM

@Lethbridgean dinner time see you later thanks
by fitter 6/7/2011 12:03:14 AM

@fitter - thats what a millwright does. Sorry if that sounds wrong but I can decipher drawings not only for the building of the system but I am also a power engineer and former power plant operator so I can really relate what the operational aspects are as well.
by Lethbridgean 6/7/2011 12:03:23 AM

@fitter -Me too, thanks for your exchange today. Way better then the other day eh! :)
by Lethbridgean 6/7/2011 12:04:40 AM

@Lethbridgean Ya sorry about that, You should have a very good understanding of what ist really like there.... later
by fitter 6/7/2011 12:05:45 AM

ASIA NEWSJUNE 6, 2011, 7:53 P.M. ET
Japan Concedes Severity of Blast
Nuclear Accident Frayed Relations With U.S. in Days After the March 11 Disaster
online.wsj.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/7/2011 12:06:13 AM

@Panserbjorne9 I hope, LAYWERS, collect all the trickling and afterwards injected news / readings to sue the GoJ !!!
by Veenie 6/7/2011 12:08:01 AM

Radiation’s Unknowns Weigh on Japan
As officials in Japan agonize over what constitutes a safe radiation dose for people who live near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactors, the state of the science has been a daunting problem. Studies on the effects of exposure are based mostly on large doses delivered quickly by atomic bombs, while radiation from the Fukushima disaster would more likely result in small doses delivered over many years. www.nytimes.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/7/2011 12:14:45 AM

@panser well scientist are rejoicing at being able to track oceanic currents by tracking the radiation so hey you know we should get the Japan government sets up study to determine how much radiation people can absorb before succumbing .....oh they cant can they because they have sod all idea of what their people have already taken in over the past 3 months
by elainekirk 6/7/2011 12:19:57 AM

Saw an interesting article in the economist about Japan today. It talks about the artist Katsushika Hokusai who did the big wave images THE WAVE OF KANAGAWA towering over Mount Fugi. The fishermen in the boats beneath remain still and calm in the face of danger, because they have a job to do... "Since the march 11th tsunami, once again Japan is examining itself through the prism of great wave." Many feel the natural disaster has brought a vital sense of purpose to the community despite immeasurable losses...

The people of eastern Japan have face this disaster so courageously, as is part of their culture, but I fear that their fortitude will keep some close to harms way. I just hope the people affected by high radiation levels are able to bow out gracefully before they suffer from it's deleterious effects.
by carabnr 6/7/2011 12:24:17 AM

@nancy I found a piece of your jigsaw
by elainekirk 6/7/2011 12:28:06 AM

@carabnr that is really well written so powerful
by elainekirk 6/7/2011 12:29:07 AM

TY elaine, I thought the article was fascin ating the way they approached it and wanted to share some of the imagery and culture.
by carabnr 6/7/2011 12:30:14 AM

Question...a little foggy due to headache, so bear with me. I remember news reports saying that the Fukushima release was '10% Chernobyl' for iodide, '50% Chernobyl' for cesium 137(?)... If they just doubled the estimates, wouldn't that mean that for the first few weeks we got to 100% cesium of Chernobyl?
by Panserbjorne9 6/7/2011 12:30:20 AM

@carabnr True, Folk will bond to help each other, local low level Govt. will try to get rid of red tape...but ALL want the GoJ to ask for fogiveness for doing what they did or DID NOT DO !!
by Veenie 6/7/2011 12:30:56 AM

@Panserbjorne9 EXCELLENT Question..waiting for answer...tipp tipp....did i mention, that i despise the GoJ ?...."#@$!@#%$^!"
by Veenie 6/7/2011 12:31:59 AM

@panser round of applause brilliant quick thinking there
by elainekirk 6/7/2011 12:32:41 AM

@Panserbjorne9 : i think they only referred to march 11-16, if i remember it correctly.
by Edano 6/7/2011 12:35:57 AM

@Edano yes... This was back when they first announced the estimate... I was for the first week only, and they said 10% of cherynobyl total, but 50% for Cesium... So if you exponentially add to the first week... Ugh.
by Panserbjorne9 6/7/2011 12:39:10 AM

@Panserbjorne9 : don't worry, this is not the end result. it will be even more and then you add the seawater radiation....
by Edano 6/7/2011 12:41:02 AM

"For Caesium-137, the figure could amount to some 50 percent." www.reuters.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/7/2011 12:41:12 AM

@Edano it's typical that websites will say 'Chernobyl wasn't that bad' and then turn right around and say 'Fukushima isn't as bad as Chernobyl'. (rolls eyes) and you're right... Truly no comparison possible, period, by anyone with a brain. These are truly extraordinary circumstances with far-reaching, multileveled consequences.
by Panserbjorne9 6/7/2011 12:43:22 AM

Note the 'week' / 'month' change. The agency also said it now estimated that the radioactive release from the plant totaled 770,000 terabecquerels in the first week after March 11. The agency had previously estimated 370,000 terabecquerels released in the first month.
www.nytimes.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/7/2011 12:46:11 AM

this should land you on the comment box you need to scroll up to read the article translate.google.com
by elainekirk 6/7/2011 12:58:19 AM

@Majj , re GM counters, I saw a huge demand for used Russian GM tubes on ebay. I am in the process of building a counter from parts for less than 20 bucks. It seems to work. I am not convinced yet how well though, but have not giving up hope. The affair is quite temp sensitive and sluggish. I am still in the experimental stage: i1214.photobucket.com
by Peter Melzer via I1214.photobucket 6/7/2011 12:59:57 AM

My Dad recently told me about reading this article in Science Magazine from the 1970s ( www.sciencemag.org ) which describes concerns about inadequate backup cooling at nuke plants--nuclear safety, a skelton in the closet, the artcle is titled. I could only read the first page, but if someone is an AAAS member--you could access the article and post it here and on the new website
by mainejen edited by Edano 6/7/2011 1:04:11 AM

@edano thanks the the title is :
Nuclear Reactor Safety: A Skeleton at the Feast?
Gillette
Science 28 May 1971: 918-919.
DOI:10.1126/science.172.3986.918
by mainejen 6/7/2011 1:08:36 AM

Fukushima Radiation in the Pacific 7:00 p.m. Japan Time
34 24N, 142 41W (100 nm west of Japan)

Today was a test day, starting with the obligatory one long bell that signals all hands to muster at their emergency stations. For us in the science crew, that means we grab our life vests and survival suits and head to the top deck to be counted.

After that, we began preparing for a dry run (if there is such a thing on the open ocean) of all our sampling equipment and procedures. First in the water was the bongo nets. These small, hoop-shaped nets will collect zooplankton as small as 300 microns—one step up from the base of the marine food chain......
www.whoi.edu
by Majj 6/7/2011 1:09:49 AM

Tuesday, June 7, 2011

Incineration of rubble OK'd amid radiation risk
Kyodo

The Environment Ministry plans to allow rubble from the March 11 disasters in coastal and central parts of Fukushima Prefecture to be incinerated or buried, raising the risk of radioactive contamination, officials said Sunday. search.japantimes.co.jp
by Majj 6/7/2011 1:14:20 AM

@Majj Thank you. Good to see their website is back up.
by radioguy 6/7/2011 1:29:02 AM

@mainejen , Stephen Hanauer wrote his now famous memo in Sep. 1972: graphics8.nytimes.com
by Peter Melzer 6/7/2011 1:34:05 AM

@Majj Thank you very much for the link to WHOI's Daily Updates. Interesting that they have permission from the GoJ to do testing when Greenpeace was not allowed to do so.
by Reed 6/7/2011 1:37:10 AM

@reed gosh you are all on form today brilliant
by elainekirk 6/7/2011 1:40:29 AM

@elainekirk Hi Elaine. Good to see you.
I'm very intertested in the WHOI information since it's the first open and international data stream to which we're privy. It should give us ideas of the bioaccumulation dynamics and the full spectrum of elements which were/are being released by Daiichi. Their reports should greatly increase press coverage of the disaster.
by Reed 6/7/2011 2:09:05 AM