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I am just cleaning up @nancy I got the pics here www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 6/12/2011 12:35:23 AM

@quaker if you bring something here understand that people might ask you to produce some evidence to back up your claims.
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 12:36:59 AM

@elainekirk I get broken images on that one. If you have a full sized version of it can you post it somewhere or email it?
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 12:38:27 AM

@lillymunster, brainstorming an issue or problem is not a "claim", it is a method of understanding a problem. An inability to brainstorm is an inability to problem solve
by quaker 6/12/2011 12:39:14 AM

@nancy is it the pump one or a tsunami one?
by elainekirk 6/12/2011 12:42:12 AM

@quaker You apparently don't understand evidence, fact or the basics of research. People are not obligated to entertain something that is without merit or has no information or facts to back it up. This is like the Obama birth certificate nonsense. Just because one person "believes" something doesn't obligate everyone else to discuss it ad nauseum. Your theory has no merit and you have not produced anything to convince anyone that terrorists did the ecoli outbreak in germany. The responsibility to back up your claim is on you.
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 12:43:31 AM

@elainekirk The pump one near 4 that I can't get the image to load.
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 12:43:50 AM

@nancy ok I will mail it
by elainekirk 6/12/2011 12:44:15 AM

Thanks. Not sure if it is a browser issue or what.
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 12:54:34 AM

@nancy done !
by elainekirk 6/12/2011 12:55:22 AM

@elainekirk Thanks. Have to do something. Will check it out in a bit.
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 12:56:42 AM

ty fitter... how goes the battle on fuku
by dean 6/12/2011 1:07:21 AM

@dean there is a lot of info in some of the links you have posted.... good reading!
by fitter 6/12/2011 1:14:02 AM

@fitter.. I will be glad for all of you out there when the stormy yuky season is over
by dean 6/12/2011 1:21:27 AM

@dean yes its playing havic on my office, the new lights sounded like bug zappers during the last storm a couple days ago, plus it 99 deg and the AC's are not keeping up
by fitter 6/12/2011 1:22:54 AM

I am cleaning the board up when a friendly chatty post moves down the list it gets deleted when a non fuku related debate starts I ask if it can move to the other board
by elainekirk 6/12/2011 1:22:57 AM

@smoss you certainly know how to root out these gems :)
by elainekirk 6/12/2011 1:26:49 AM

@elainekirk Wonder what that says about my social life? :-)
by smoss 6/12/2011 1:27:58 AM

@dean was getting read to head out, but there are some pic's with the west side of bld #1 painted with the "glue paint".. if the BP on #1 is correct the two pipe ends should be the 20" vent off the IC condenseres.. even though they are a closed loop.. do you think may be they had a break and discaharged some particlues or dust on that side of the building.. there is now logic to the paint pattern that I can see??
by fitter 6/12/2011 1:31:41 AM

@dean yes still having electrical problems, we have had storm after storm...
by fitter 6/12/2011 1:32:47 AM

that could be a possibility fitter.. I will do some looking and catch you when I come back,, right now I'm really pooooped out... am going to rest...
by dean 6/12/2011 1:35:35 AM

@dean same here see you all later...
by fitter 6/12/2011 1:39:22 AM

@smoss I have pinned your link post for nancy :)
by elainekirk 6/12/2011 1:40:37 AM

@elainekirk Thanks!
by smoss 6/12/2011 1:44:57 AM

No.2 reactor air filter starts running www3.nhk.or.jp
Tokyo Electric Power Company had set up 2 air-filtering units at a building adjacent to the reactor building.
"The devices will filter radioactive materials out of air pumped from the reactor building through a duct. The cleaned air will be fed back into the reactor building.
TEPCO says it plans to run the devices for about 3 days and check internal radiation levels before opening up the doors of the reactor building."
by Reed 6/12/2011 1:58:38 AM

@Smoss you still on?
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 2:09:23 AM

@nancy Yep
by smoss 6/12/2011 2:10:28 AM

What page was the info on in that document?
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 2:19:22 AM

@all Current safeguards inspection criteria require that fresh MOX
fuel assemblies are verified on a monthly basis (by evaluation of C/S measures and/or item
counting, identification and gross defect measurement) and these inspections require
considerable inspection effort (e.g. it has been reported that16 out of a total of 167 LWRs
inspected by the Agency in 1999 used MOX fuel, but that these 16 (10%) of the reactors
consumed over 20% of the Agency’s inspection effort at LWRs).

www-pub.iaea.org files/Session 3/Paper 3-04.PDF Does this mean that the IAEA would have been responsible for the monthly evaluation of MOX fuel stored in the SFP over the 11 years prior to insertion in the reactor?
by smoss 6/12/2011 2:20:49 AM

@nancy Checking page number...
by smoss 6/12/2011 2:21:18 AM

@smoss So do they need to inspect mox that is in the reactor every month? That doesn't sound easy to do? Or just that stored needs inspection every month? Good find. Sounds like another big piece of the puzzle.
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 2:26:16 AM

www.asahi.com

METI tried to gain influence over Fukushima panel
BY SHINJI MURAMATSU STAFF WRITER

A push by bureaucrats associated with the nuclear industry to increase their influence over the government-appointed panel investigating the accident at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant was rebuffed by Prime Minister Naoto Kan.
The Kan Cabinet decided May 24 to establish the panel to investigate the nuclear disaster and placed it under the Cabinet Secretariat. That decision limited the influence of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI), which oversees nuclear policy and Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the operator of the Fukushima No. 1 plant.
But, on June 6, the nuclear establishment pushed back. The National Policy Unit, which is part of the Cabinet Secretariat but is made up of bureaucrats from the various central government ministries, produced a document titled "Regarding a revolutionary energy and environment strategy."
The unit, which is heavily influenced by METI officials when considering matters related to energy policy, proposed placing the accident panel as well as the Japan Atomic Energy Commission under the guidance of an energy and environment committee to be established under the Council on the Realization of the New Growth Strategy.
The National Policy Unit would serve as the secretariat for the committee and Banri Kaieda, the METI minister, would be the committee's deputy chairman. Masayuki Naoshima, a former METI minister, and Yosuke Kondo, a former vice minister at METI, would sit on it and METI officials would be dispatched to work for its secretariat.
Kan discussed the proposal with Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano and others on June 7 and agreed to reject the proposal. […]
by jt 6/12/2011 2:29:51 AM

@nancy It's hard for me to decipher the intent with MOX inspections, as worded by the IAEA doc. Given the intense security concerns over the Pu contents of the fuel itself, I would think that some sort of verification of stored MOX would be a high priority. Still searching page # (note to self...document page # when browsing a 187pg doc)
by smoss 6/12/2011 2:32:26 AM

This is odd, is the first time I've seen since the explosions, the chimney 2 is releasing steam timidly
by estacion 6/12/2011 2:34:30 AM

@nancy pg 87
by smoss 6/12/2011 2:35:07 AM

@jt Wow, I sure hope they can un-do the crazy politics. Did anyone at METI get the memo that the people they work for don't trust them?

@Smoss, it sounds like what I found in some of the US documents outlining mox safety. Will go through the links you posted and see what I can figure out of it too. US requires levels of safety, locks, witnesses and armed guards.

@estacion are you looking on TEPCO cam or TBS?
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 2:36:37 AM

@lillymunster Best look at TEPCO cam.
by estacion 6/12/2011 2:39:01 AM

@smoss the last IAEA document has a broken URL can you try reposting it?
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 2:39:18 AM

@estacion I'm not seeing anything. I must be blind. ;-)
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 2:39:57 AM

@lillymunster I don't know enough about Japanese politics to hazard a guess on this one.
by jt 6/12/2011 2:40:09 AM

@nancy posting www-pub.iaea.org
by smoss 6/12/2011 2:43:01 AM

It could be a codec artifact, but...I don't know. what your monitor resolutions is?
by estacion 6/12/2011 2:44:49 AM

@Smoss, reading the 190 page IAEA one right now. Mentions of domestic MOX and Monju plant?? I don't know if that is theoretical based on them wanting to do that eventually or that they actually did it. Hmm.
by lillymunster 6/12/2011 2:46:14 AM

NUCLEAR CRISIS: HOW IT HAPPENED / Government radiation data disclosure--too little, too late
www.yomiuri.co.jp
"...the System for Prediction of Environmental Emergency Dose Information (SPEEDI) had been pumping out estimates of radiation doses once every hour since 4 p.m. on March 11.
According to the government's basic nuclear disaster plan, SPEEDI should be used to help make evacuation recommendations.
Although the system was supposed to be used to deal with a crisis, we weren't fully prepared to actually use it." said one senior education ministry official. "There were no ideas or discussions about if the [SPEEDI] data should be made public," he said, essentially admitting the ministry wasted the system."
by Reed 6/12/2011 2:47:50 AM