Japan Earthquake

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@fitter : we are speaking here about hitech and responsibility, a nuke is not a wastewater channel or a sink that may fail from time to time. there is no excuse for failing systems. and having three worst case scenarios, nothing has been done in three month to prevent radiation from leaking, i find it stupid to call it "a good job".
by Edano 6/15/2011 5:44:55 PM

@joniver do you know if they are having rad sludge problems outside of the country or if other countries are looking for it, as I would guess its a by-product to the air and fllout... but what levels travel how far I would not know.... Our governer stated that we should not use our "rainwater" here in Virginia in the early days??
by fitter 6/15/2011 5:46:23 PM

@fitter Presumably contaminated US sewage sludge is being spread on farmland all over the US. www.sludgenews.org www.sourcewatch.org
by Bobby1 6/15/2011 5:50:01 PM

@Edano Last post... do you go into an operation with out Preping the patient... no... What caused the failure is not what I am talking about... but the answers take time to develope and design... and that is what they are doing... I believe they are ahead of schedule on some things.. what good does it do to build a tent that doesn't work... and I am sure they don't know how well it wil work, but my guess is that the best solution they have at present.... again... what would you do
by fitter 6/15/2011 5:50:17 PM

@Bobby1 thats great... I guess the cows are really going to need thier ant-boitics now... I was wondering if it had come here as a sludge issue... thanks need to go get some work done... really liked your paper..
by fitter 6/15/2011 5:52:12 PM

@fitter I haven't seen anything on it..as yet but I worry it will somehow be made profitable and shipped all over the place.
by joniver 6/15/2011 5:52:39 PM

@Bobby1 I liked your paper too, thanks for the hard work.
by joniver 6/15/2011 5:53:25 PM

@joniver I don't think they will do that, but anything that falls in the "safe range" most deffintly willl...
by fitter 6/15/2011 5:53:38 PM

the problem is mediocracy hitting hitech, the result we see here.
by Edano 6/15/2011 5:54:10 PM

@fitter I don't put anything past human greed.
by joniver 6/15/2011 5:54:41 PM

@Bobby1 we do spend a lot of tax dollars that are of a total waste.... on enforecment or lack of, or what i don't know I don't have to adresss!
by fitter 6/15/2011 5:55:59 PM

@fitter @joniver ty, all that radiation from the west coast is being spread across the whole country.. sewage sludge, contaminated food shipments, dust storms in the deserts, wildfires.
by Bobby1 6/15/2011 5:57:06 PM

@Bobby1@fitter: Sewage sludge occurs in all flooded areas where there are sewers for residential housing. Private wells and septics are for the most part saved during flooding.
by MaryW 6/15/2011 5:57:39 PM

@MaryW ty
by fitter 6/15/2011 5:58:40 PM

Anyone driving through the South along the Mississippi river can smell it. Plus, that area is in a heat wave at this time.
by MaryW 6/15/2011 5:59:40 PM

@MaryW Sludge is not just there in flooded areas, it's a substance that needs to be disposed of. I guess all cities or counties with water treatment plants have sludge.
by Bobby1 6/15/2011 5:59:53 PM

@Bobby1 You're correct. But water treatment plants are contained.
by MaryW 6/15/2011 6:01:16 PM

@MaryW The plants can't keep that amount of material on hand. They have to dump it in the nearest waterway or dispose of it, sell it.
by Bobby1 6/15/2011 6:02:27 PM

@Bobby1 And water treatment plants filter all their waters back into the natural water system. Until they stop working or are overflowed.
by MaryW 6/15/2011 6:02:55 PM

I suppose they can turn the sludge into building blocks and eventually entomb Fukushima with it.
by joniver 6/15/2011 6:03:08 PM

@joniver radioactive sludge building blocks
by MaryW 6/15/2011 6:04:13 PM

in chernobyl they stopped radiation leaking within 2 weeks ! de.wikipedia.org
by Edano 6/15/2011 6:06:59 PM

Nuclear Twilight in Europe

It is becoming evident to many that the March nuclear catastrophe at Japan’s six reactor Daichi Fukushima complex has dealt a huge, possibly fatal, blow to the nuclear industry’s hopes of a revival.

A year ago even global warming enthusiasts reluctantly embraced nuclear power as a carbon-free energy generating system, and the industry was ramping up for glory days as a result.
In the wake of Fukushima, German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced on 30 May that Germany, the world's fourth-largest economy and Europe's biggest, would shut down all of its 17 would abandon nuclear energy completely between 2015 and 2022, an extraordinary commitment, given that Germany’s 17 NPPS Germany produce about 28 percent of the country's electricity.

In such an environment, the only nuclear energy growth field currently is lawyers’ fees.

More: oilprice.com
by joniver 6/15/2011 6:08:22 PM

@Edano Yes, and look at all the consequences of Chernobyl.
by MaryW 6/15/2011 6:08:49 PM

US sludge is already contaminated with heavy metals, industrial chemicals, and pharmaceuticals. www.sourcewatch.org Maybe they think throwing iodine, cesium, and strontium into the mix won't make any difference.
by Bobby1 6/15/2011 6:09:34 PM

Home gardeners beware if a bag says topsoil - it is topsoil.
"There are no federal or state regulations that require listing sludge as a component in bagged compost".
More: www.usludgefree.org
by joniver 6/15/2011 6:16:58 PM

@Edano The sarcophagus built around the Chernobyl reactor that exploded wasn't finished until 9 months after the accident. How did they contain radiation emissions until then? It took them 2 weeks to extinguish the last graphite fire but emissions carried on for a lot longer. I can't read German so I checked the English version.
by Pedro Jesus 6/15/2011 6:27:30 PM

6. Mai 1986
Die Freisetzung der Spaltprodukte war weitgehend unterbunden.
6. May 1986
The release of fission products was largely suppressed.
i used google translator ;)
by Edano 6/15/2011 6:44:18 PM

@Edano That's about when they finally extinguished the last ongoing graphite fire. But if you look at the radiation readings back then, you'll understand what «largely suppressed» means. It was still puffing more radiation than Fukushima-Daiichi ever did (so far) after the fire was extinguished. Some readings around the Chernobyl crippled reactor read as high as 300 Sv/h. We can't compare one case to the other. Plus it took them years to completely clear all the radioactive matter that was scattered around the plant from the initial explosions.
by Pedro Jesus 6/15/2011 6:50:17 PM

@Edano Oh, and one must not forget the half million workers involved in the process, most of which exceeded their lifetime radiation exposure limit.
by Pedro Jesus 6/15/2011 6:55:33 PM

@all I'd lay odds that 10 years from now we are going to find out this disaster was was way bigger than any of us could have imagined...3 FULL meltdowns..just my 2 cents.
by LM 6/15/2011 6:55:39 PM

@LM ... so far... we're still not on the safe area.
by Pedro Jesus 6/15/2011 6:57:41 PM

@Pedro Jesus..yep...it's definitely way too soon to say 'mission accomplished' or "Good Job Brownie", ala Mr. Bush. We have a long way to go and that's the problem isn't it. A sarcophagus can't be pulled off because of the upper level SFPs. The Japanese are in a world of hurt.
by LM 6/15/2011 7:03:45 PM

Interesting animated Rad map : www.youtube.com
by Ian 6/15/2011 7:06:32 PM

back,,,
by dean 6/15/2011 7:07:59 PM

@LM At least they have some companies with a good record in the business helping them out now. AREVA, Kurion, Toshiba... I don't care if they are corrupt as long as they get the job done and clean.
by Pedro Jesus 6/15/2011 7:10:56 PM

@Pedro We can hope.
by LM 6/15/2011 7:11:30 PM

Has Kurion been around for a while?
by Markfm 6/15/2011 7:11:59 PM

I have to look into why a nuclear plant evacuation susposedly occured
by dean 6/15/2011 7:12:00 PM

@dean Hi! Did this happen at Fukushima?
by LM 6/15/2011 7:12:48 PM

no LM it is the recent announced one at CALHOUN.. I read that not every one evacuated so they all didn't just walk out..
by dean 6/15/2011 7:14:42 PM

@dean Yikes! CNN was apparently more concerned with the College and Little League World Series in Omaha than the NPP. They're planning on going ahead with the games despite rising water. They made no mention of the plant.
by LM 6/15/2011 7:17:13 PM

@Markfm Not really but their expertise comes from a long way before that particular company was ever started. They (some of the team) were involved in the TMI clean up and decommissioning back in the early 80s. I'm preparing a paper on Kurion. I'm digging information about their connections around the world.
by Pedro Jesus 6/15/2011 7:17:32 PM