Japan Earthquake

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@lillymunster Back in the early 90's when there was a widespread discussion about the possibility of building a couple of nuclear power plants in Portugal, the population and particularly the university students community raged against it and actually prevented a referendum. The right wing Government back then respected the people's opinion, particularly the younger generation's (who were more aware of the potential dangers of nuclear power), and decided to trash the plans to go nuclear. Instead they invested in renewable energy and today Portugal may be the country in the world with more concentration of research projects in renewable energy per square meter (or land and sea). This is a small illustration of the power we all have. We can actually make a change and force our political leaders in this or that direction. It is also our responsibility.

by Pedro Jesus 6/25/2011 2:26:48 PM

@Pedro Jesus That is really good to hear. In the US there is a false assumption that is passed around by parties who have a stake in the status quo that alternative energy can't work. It is a huge hurdle to overcome due to the average person who isn't well informed having been fed that idea. It is coming around slowly as those who try prove something new can work.
by lillymunster 6/25/2011 2:29:22 PM

@lillymunster I understand that it is way harder for the USA to turn renewable... it is an enormous investment. Portugal doesn't have so much industry so the demand for energy is not proportionally so big. And we have loads of hydro-electrical energy potential that has been well exploited in the past few decades. And the more recent wind power plants and all the new projects will ensure that we will be self-sufficient (energy wise)
in a near future. Bad news is some industrial consortium is planning to drill oil in our coast.
by Pedro Jesus 6/25/2011 2:35:09 PM

Peter, if your still here can you direct me to your response letter to the NRC?
by lillymunster 6/25/2011 2:35:36 PM

@lillymunster Peter's initial NRC response post's on this page: www.scribblelive.com
by es 6/25/2011 2:44:48 PM

@es thanks! I will try to get this added today. I have to do a full back up of my hard drive and possibly either reformat or go buy a new laptop hard drive. It got bumped hard twice in the last week and I think it might have damaged my hard drive.
by lillymunster 6/25/2011 3:05:53 PM

Resumption of decontamination system not in sight
The operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has still not resumed operations of a system to decontaminate highly radioactive water.

Tokyo Electric Power Company had planned to start decontaminating and recycling the water by July 17th to cool the reactors.

Water is being injected continuously into the reactors and the resulting contaminated water is starting to fill up the storage facilities, raising fears that it will start overflowing around July 5th.

So far 4,500 tons of contaminated water has been treated in a test run, and work to remove salt started on Friday.

The company says the amount of stored contaminated water will drop significantly, once the decontamination system begins operating. It says it wants to start spraying the recycled water into the reactors by the end of this month. www3.nhk.or.jp Morning all!
by LM 6/25/2011 3:17:00 PM

hung in mod....
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by Thunder 6/25/2011 3:38:33 PM

Power Demand Soaring in Japan Due to Heat Wave
Tokyo, June 25 (Jiji Press)--Power demand is soaring in Japan due to heat wave, a bad sign in the nation suffering from tight electricity supply since the March 11 earthquake and tsunami caused capacity cuts.
On Friday, it was unusually hot in many places throughout the country. In the eastern city of Kumagaya, the temperature climbed to a national record high for June of 39.8 degrees Celsius.
Apparently due to strong demand for air-conditioning, power consumption reached 43.89 million kilowatts in the service area of Tokyo Electric Power Co. <9501>, only 8 pct shy of the firm's maximum output capacity of 47.9 million kilowatts.
The safety margin was the narrowest since April 8, when the company, known as TEPCO, decided to stop rolling blackouts in principle.
Power industry people say the minimum safety margin required to ensure stable electricity supply is 3 to 5 pct.

(2011/06/25-18:26)
jen.jiji.com
by estacion 6/25/2011 3:38:38 PM

@Nancy Doesn't America test foods imported from Japan for contamination?
by Thunder 6/25/2011 3:38:44 PM

Water Filtration , the Old'e way, Supersand forum.gloresis.com
by RBeaner 6/25/2011 3:39:00 PM

Latest Japanese CTBTO isotope readings www.cpdnp.jp
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 4:07:14 PM

I have been looking at the health risks of tellurium-129m, I didn't realize it was worse per becquerel than iodine-131. It is a fission product, like iodine, and it causes lung cancer and leukemia. Non-radiocative tellurium is dangerous also. According to the CTBTO readings, iodine-131 was the main death risk up to March 24. From then till May 5, it was 1. cesium 2. iodine 3. tellurium. Since May 6 it has been 1. cesium 2. tellurium 3. iodine.
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 4:13:19 PM

: The results of nuclide analyses on the ocean soil www.tepco.co.jp Results of Nuclide Analyses of Sub-drains www.tepco.co.jp and Radioactivity Density of Sub-drain www.tepco.co.jp
by RBeaner 6/25/2011 4:37:07 PM

@RBeaner Iodine spike last Wednesday... was there a smoke show on Tuesday?
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 4:44:47 PM

@bobby1 Big smoke early Tuesday morning, and then it rained...
2011.06.21 02:00-03:00 (Live Fukushima Nuclear Plant Cam): www.youtube.com
by es 6/25/2011 5:11:11 PM

@es Yes, a bad one, looks like it was mostly #4. Any ideas why the #4 SPF went re-critical?
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 5:19:36 PM

@all it is fantastic that you can always find somebody here has the answer to a question - awesome :)
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 5:40:51 PM

@Bobby1 Sorry no, #4's goings-on remain a mystery to me.
by es 6/25/2011 5:41:00 PM

@Bobby1 the 21st 3pm www.tepco.co.jp 9am www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 5:49:10 PM

@Bobby1 there are @edano's graphs on simply info do they help www.houseoffoust.com
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 5:51:06 PM

At 11:55 am on June 21 we temporarily stopped operating the nitrogen
supply equipment to Unit 1 Primary Containment Vessel due to work of
power supply for alternative cooling equipment of Unit 1 spent fuel pool
cooling and filtering system.
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 5:56:15 PM

Could have been the #1 SPF, doesn't explain the #4 smoke show though.
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 5:58:13 PM

@bobby they did say earlier this week that they needed to fill the pool where reactor parts were stored didnt they? I cant remember exactly when but I can recall it being discussed :)
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:07:18 PM

@elainekirk Yes, I remember that, it was a few days ago I think.
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 6:14:22 PM

since tuesday they reduced cooling water, which led to higher temps in #1 and 3.
by Edano 6/25/2011 6:16:36 PM

Did they finish installing the alternate cooling system for the #1 sfp? I recall they did that for the one in #2.
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 6:21:13 PM

Resumption of decontamination system not in sight

The operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has still not resumed operations of a system to decontaminate highly radioactive water.

Tokyo Electric Power Company had planned to start decontaminating and recycling the water by July 17th to cool the reactors.

Water is being injected continuously into the reactors and the resulting contaminated water is starting to fill up the storage facilities, raising fears that it will start overflowing around July 5th.

So far 4,500 tons of contaminated water has been treated in a test run, and work to remove salt started on Friday.

The company says the amount of stored contaminated water will drop significantly, once the decontamination system begins operating. It says it wants to start spraying the recycled water into the reactors by the end of this month.

But first, pipes and valves must be checked thoroughly as the components of the system are located in different parts of the plant, and the contaminated water travels a distance of 4 kilometers during treatment.

Tokyo Electric Power Company hopes to fully restart the decontamination system in the next few days. But it has experienced a number of problems and it is unclear whether the recycling of water can be carried out as planned.

Saturday, June 25, 2011 22:05 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 6/25/2011 6:22:44 PM

‘The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable’
Before the discovery of Australia, people in the old world were convinced that all swans were white, an unassailable belief as it seemed completely confirmed by empirical evidence. The sighting of the first black swan might have been an interesting surprise for a few ornithologists (and others extremely concerned with the coloring of birds), but that is not where the significance of the story lies. It illustrates a severe limitation to our learning from observations or experience and the fragility of our knowledge. One single observation can invalidate a general statement derived from millennia of confirmatory sightings of millions of white swans. All you need is one single (and, I am told, quite ugly) black bird.
More: www.nytimes.com

It seems many black swans are appearing these days.
by joniver 6/25/2011 6:25:33 PM

@Bobby1 I am not sure any of the alternate cooling systems are working as they should
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:31:20 PM

this is inside #2 and that soup looks to me to have soil in it but then I am no expert
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:32:47 PM

@bobby does having a basement full of tepco soup qualify as a cooling system? ;)
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:34:01 PM

tepco say they have a problem video here japanese with translated news report translate.google.com
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:36:50 PM

looks like rust, melted steel will do that
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 6:39:39 PM

@Bobby1 how much rust ? that basement has a larger sq footage than the upper building and it is obviously full so how much rust would be needed to discoulor that volume of water to that degree? thats why I think the structural integrity of the basement has been breeched but I am not techi in any way shape or form
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:42:43 PM

@elainekirk I don't know, quite a bit of rust, though I suppose it's also ordinary corrosion from the structural materials.
by Bobby1 6/25/2011 6:45:11 PM

It would be interesting to know what the soil color is in Daiichi.
by estacion 6/25/2011 6:45:11 PM

could be blood.
by Edano 6/25/2011 6:45:13 PM

It is rust.. might be mud too if the water did flow in.. but a long time of spraying seawater with salt in it makes lotsa rust.
by Tone Noen 6/25/2011 6:46:53 PM

@Edano sure could be
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:47:19 PM

@Tone Noen so if they drained that not only would there be radiation the toxicity of the rust in there would preclude entry ever ? it is my understanding that fumes from rust under those conditions kills
by elainekirk 6/25/2011 6:48:37 PM

a bloody mess at least.
by Edano 6/25/2011 6:49:13 PM

No, rust shouldnt be dangerous. Electrolysis that makes rust by electrisity in an experiment likely makes fumes, but this is natural rust from metal beams, metal bars in the concrete and everything else thats made of steel that was used in the building.
by Tone Noen 6/25/2011 6:56:41 PM

According to the satellite pic from Google Earth, the color of the slope surrounding the building is redish, it could be that the soil was clay, which would match the color of water in basements.
by estacion 6/25/2011 6:58:57 PM