Japan Earthquake

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Here's an English Plant Parameters pdf www.tepco.co.jp not sure what page it's on, I just get it googling : fukushima tepco "Plant Parameters"
by Ian 7/4/2011 3:54:18 AM

@Ian the SFP does not extend over the edge. There are some detail images of the pools pre-quake in my photos. The SFP level is on the last page of the PDF in Japanese. Go to the PDF for the date you need. Go to the last page. The last page is a spreadsheet looking layout. There are numbers for each reactor across the top. Find 4's column. Pool level is 3rd row up from the bottom. Should be in millimeters "mm" Today's for 4 is 400mm for a comparison
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 3:58:24 AM

@lillymunster. I don't stop the cam but my internet connection has been bad/intermittent recently, so you are probably right. Do you know anything about this theory that spent fuel is being stored in the mega float? radioactive.eu.com
by cat 7/4/2011 4:04:40 AM

SFP4 is 400 mm, or 15 inches, deep?
by Ian 7/4/2011 4:05:39 AM

Probably plus or minus 15 inches from where it should be.
by Ralph Unger 7/4/2011 4:09:21 AM

@Ian above the racks
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 4:09:37 AM

15 inches above the racks is very dangerous.
by Ralph Unger 7/4/2011 4:10:13 AM

15 fet is about the norm.
by Ralph Unger 7/4/2011 4:10:37 AM

@Ralph, it's supposed to be 25 feet.
by Ian 7/4/2011 4:11:10 AM

@Ralph Unger that is why we have been watching it. Was 350mm 2 days ago
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 4:11:23 AM

So it's very likely that the water in the SFP3 video is low and the assembly handle is not dislocated too far up!
by Ian 7/4/2011 4:12:26 AM

They are trying to minimize the waste water and making a very dangerous situation by doing so.
by Ralph Unger 7/4/2011 4:12:28 AM

TEPCO isn't saying. Elaine found some slightly cryptic posts that there may be something more going on and someone will spill the secret politically. It could be wastewater, it could be that the supports for the pool are not holding or not being done fast enough.
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 4:13:09 AM

@lilymunster, this seems to be the May 8th data www.meti.go.jp but the likely place the measure would be as a strange symbol then the number 1. Any idea what it means?
by Ian 7/4/2011 4:18:36 AM

@Ian hmm I can't remember what the aside for that one means. There are codes for various reasons but they are not translated. The older reports are available in English through the govt. of Georgia's web site. It might take some digging on their page but they did have all the old reports, just need to navigate back through their listings. translate.google.com

I don't use this venue unless I need something in English I don't know the heading or explanation for in the Japanese version.
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 4:24:04 AM

@lillymunster, thanks always for your help! I'm suspecting I've debunked my "dislocated assembly handle," it's not up too high up in the pool. The remaining oddity is there's just the one assembly there, but the SFP4 video shows that assemblies are not necessarily full. So there may be no oddity.
by Ian 7/4/2011 4:29:00 AM

... that racks are not always full of assemblies.
by Ian 7/4/2011 4:29:51 AM

@Ian but for one to be all alone is still odd.
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 4:33:20 AM

@lillymunster, that's probably true.
by Ian 7/4/2011 4:34:15 AM

@all Hello!
by smoss 7/4/2011 4:48:32 AM

This is a very moving speech of author Haruki Murakami, who recently received a Catalunyan Prize in Barcelona. He writes about the current situation in Japan, the past and the future. And about the Japanese spirit :
”In Japanese, we have the word “mujo (無常)”. It means that nothing lasts forever. Everything born into this world changes and will ultimately disappear. There is nothing eternal or immutable on which we can rely. This view of the world was derived from Buddhism, but the idea of “mujo” was burned into the spirit of Japanese people, and took root in the common ethnic consciousness.
The idea “everything has just gone” expresses resignation. We believe that it serves no purpose to go against nature, but Japanese people have found positive expressions of beauty in this resignation.”
There is nothing eternal or immutable on which we can rely?
www.senrinomichi.com
by Mona 7/4/2011 4:48:36 AM

Regarding the seniors brigade heading into the plants, all is not well:

"Despite a common goal, tensions exist among the group members. Many of the men do not want the dozen women who have signed up to take part, saying they're too weak and will only get in the way."

So apparently 78 year old men are still strong and capable, but women? Feh!
by bo 7/4/2011 5:01:52 AM

@bo sounds like some outmoded thinking.
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 5:06:09 AM

@lilly I think there has been a comical machismo at the center of this attempt from the start. Here we can see it in full display.
by bo 7/4/2011 5:07:18 AM

Arthur sent me this pdf that shows Unit 3 one minute before its explosion (and the vent to the stack which Tepco theorizes injected hydrogen into Unit 4) is intact, so the earthquake didn't break it) and three minutes after (and the vent is broken, but perhaps it shot hydrogne in as it exploded, but this seems like a weak theory, you'd think any hydrogen shooting through it would vent out the stack as it's designed to before venting into Unit 4) www.digitalglobe.com This shows the failure of an important venting device.
by Ian 7/4/2011 5:08:38 AM

Off to find some sleep. nite all
by lillymunster 7/4/2011 5:20:16 AM

@lillymunster good night!
by bo 7/4/2011 5:22:52 AM

Ibaraki tourism body seeks 1.8 bil. yen in damages from TEPCO

MITO, Japan, July 4, Kyodo
english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 7/4/2011 5:24:43 AM

Reconstruction minister under fire over 'offensive' remarks

TOKYO, July 4, Kyodo

Japan's new reconstruction minister Ryu Matsumoto on Monday came under fire over ''offensive'' remarks he made during a weekend visit to quake-hit areas, with many opposition lawmakers claiming that he is not the right person for the post.

''His remarks were out of the ordinary and awful,'' Liberal Democratic Party Diet affairs chief Ichiro Aisawa told reporters. ''They were nothing other than offensive. Depending on the situation, Prime Minister (Naoto Kan) may need to dismiss him from his ministerial post for reconstruction.''

Matsumoto on Sunday visited Iwate and Miyagi prefectures, devastated by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, for the first time since he assumed the newly created post one week ago. english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 7/4/2011 6:02:46 AM

@Edano Well, what did he say?
by Bobby1 7/4/2011 6:21:15 AM

@Bobby1 :) i don't know, i would like it to know as well .... 'offensive' .... :)
by Edano 7/4/2011 6:22:18 AM

it reminds me of Berlusconi, when he visited a quake hit italian area, he told the people affected, that they should take the situation as a 'camping vacation' ........
by Edano 7/4/2011 6:24:49 AM

@Edano Yeah, a vacation to cesium-land.
by Bobby1 7/4/2011 6:25:45 AM

The Unit 3 venting stack appears to eject a white mist (likely hydrogen) approx 1.7 seconds after the blast starts (about 1:19 on the in the time code), tilting a flat-screen monitor back helps to see this apparent subtle mist by increasing the contrast : www.youtube.com
by Ian 7/4/2011 6:26:13 AM

@Ian the white vertical stripe ?
by Edano 7/4/2011 6:30:30 AM

@Ian I have a high end monitor, tilting doesn't help.
by Bobby1 7/4/2011 6:32:36 AM

@Edano, yes, we're probably seeing the same thing as that's how I'd describe it, a brief white vertical stripe. It's not a lot to go on, but curious to see it exactly from the tip of the stack were you might expect to see just that.
by Ian 7/4/2011 6:36:35 AM

... were and when you might expect to see just that.
by Ian 7/4/2011 6:37:19 AM

@Ian yeah, what we cannot see is if the hydrogen really shunted through to #4 at this moment.
by Edano edited by Edano 7/4/2011 6:39:02 AM

@Edano, agree! And could you believe (especially given this faint wisp) that enough hydrogen could be injected into Unit 4 to blow it to smithereens the next day? I'm not buying the Tepco theory for Unit 4!
by Ian 7/4/2011 6:41:16 AM

The hydrogen (and other gases) generated from the #3 corium went underground to #2 and #4, which blew 10-20 minutes of each other.
by Bobby1 7/4/2011 6:43:28 AM

@Ian i think you're right, the explosion must have sucked it out of the stack, hard to believe that there was much pressure left to press it into #4.
by Edano 7/4/2011 6:44:30 AM