Japan Earthquake

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Interesting note that would apply to FUKU. In that document Elaine just posted for Calhoun it talks about different types of pipe in a NPP related to quakes. Threaded pipe and cast iron pipes are not as strong as welded steel pipes. It seems to related that parts at Cooper are these so what at FUKU might be these weaker pipes?
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:16:28 PM

@Edano they do day after day , for years. All over the word. Is just the way life is for now. We just have to avoid to live in the civilized word..... This was my choice, sun I'm back there in the blue again
by Majj 7/9/2011 10:17:18 PM

@lillymunster I found it interesting about water levels and levees etc too
by elainekirk 7/9/2011 10:18:00 PM

@Edano US transport of things like spent fuel have to go in a cask and have some requirements about safe shipping. Other things I don't know. New fuel? Lower level rad waste? Medical radioactive things?
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:18:02 PM

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by Edano edited by Edano 7/9/2011 10:18:20 PM

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by Majj 7/9/2011 10:20:29 PM

@lillymunster : the truck itself might be contaminated by some load before... but no matter, this is not tolerable in any way.
by Edano 7/9/2011 10:20:50 PM

Have I found something here or is it just new to me ?
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by elainekirk 7/9/2011 10:20:53 PM

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by Majj 7/9/2011 10:21:13 PM

@Elaine, they also mention original building "richmond inserts" for holding steam pipes and that they are cast in place. So FUKU would likely still have these also. Since steam type pipes broke might be of note later on?
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:21:26 PM

@Edano This are the parts you ' LIKE " "healthier society." " No job is too big or too small""
by Majj 7/9/2011 10:22:24 PM

These trucks couldn't buy some lead blankets to line the trailer?
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:22:37 PM

@lillymunster oh yes good to find something it spurs me on , Lilly will you look at the last link i put up dont know if people already know of it
by elainekirk 7/9/2011 10:22:40 PM

back for a bit...
by dean 7/9/2011 10:24:58 PM

@dean hi:)
by elainekirk 7/9/2011 10:25:45 PM

@Elaine that Brookhaven page is a goldmine of details on how certain things are done.
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:26:19 PM

@lillymunster I am reinvigerated onwards I go after coffee
by elainekirk 7/9/2011 10:27:05 PM

I saw where you were talking about threaded pipe... typically in a nuclear power plant they have varying levels of safety systems.. beginning with the reactor piping going all the way down to air lines... it's been my experience that all NPP piping which touches primary or secondary water or auxilliary water must meet code.. it's like ASME Section III CLASS 1.. 2 and 3..
by dean 7/9/2011 10:27:13 PM

welded pipe..
by dean 7/9/2011 10:27:17 PM

now service lines like air would probably be threaded
by dean 7/9/2011 10:27:38 PM

or swage lock fittings for all pneumatic air lines to control valves etc..
by dean 7/9/2011 10:28:03 PM

Kan sorry for confusion over his planned resignation

TOKYO, July 9, Kyodo

Prime Minister Naoto Kan apologized Saturday for triggering disarray over the timing of his planned resignation at a meeting with senior officials of his ruling Democratic Party of Japan's local chapters from across the country.

Some officials urged unity in policy within the DPJ as there is disagreement over the timing of his resignation between the prime minister and party executives, while others criticized Kan for confusion over the resumption of nuclear reactors and former reconstruction minister Ryu Matsumoto's verbal gaffes.

Kan, who heads the DPJ, reiterated that he will call it quits after parliamentary passage is secured of the second extra budget for fiscal 2011, a bill to enable the government to issue deficit-covering bonds and a bill to promote the use of renewable energy.
english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 7/9/2011 10:28:12 PM

they also call THE piping as being NQA-1 grade
by dean 7/9/2011 10:28:24 PM

@Edano I dont think he is perfect but he is on a steep learning curve and showing gumption they should support him
by elainekirk 7/9/2011 10:29:48 PM

@elainekirk : i hope he makes up his mind and stays. we don't want to see tepco puppies behind his desk.
by Edano 7/9/2011 10:31:07 PM

@dean from searching fuku four months calhoun days cooper today I say cooper coming very close to tepcoism they get pulled so often , submit wrong docs etc etc
by elainekirk 7/9/2011 10:32:11 PM

@Edano So what Kan is saying is he will resign when hell freezes over? :-)
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:33:06 PM

I have read some say that calhoun and cooper are FUKU in slow motion
by dean 7/9/2011 10:33:25 PM

@Dean, Elaine found earlier a document that Cooper only has steel secondary containment, no outer concrete like Fuku does for the containment bulb.
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:34:44 PM

A series of disasters, potential disasters, bad news and worrying studies over the course of the past week have brought public attention back to the issue of radiation and its attendant health risks, and further exposed how governmental agencies that are supposed to protect the public have in fact knowingly put the public at risk and even colluded with the very industries they are supposed to be "regulating."
by Majj 7/9/2011 10:36:44 PM

WHAT!!!!! cooper? dang
by dean 7/9/2011 10:38:15 PM

dancing with the devil ...
by Edano 7/9/2011 10:39:13 PM

@dean how many others in the US could have that kind of containment?
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:41:29 PM

makes me wonder which ones have a containment that is pressurized structurally strong as opposed to the ones like fuku
by dean 7/9/2011 10:42:46 PM

@dean what does that mean vs. what Fuku had, pressurized structurally?
I don't even want to think what would have happened at Fuku if they didn't have 4 ft. of concrete full of rebar on their containment. Even that didn't fully contain.
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:45:02 PM

www.msnbc.msn.com USA NPP's ranked by seismic
by dean 7/9/2011 10:45:38 PM

what I meant lilly is .. like TMI it has a pressurized containment in which the reactor resides and the SFP..... as apposed to fuku which has the RPV then the concrete containment.. then the shell over the top.. the one that blew up
by dean 7/9/2011 10:46:49 PM

most NPP's have 4 levels of defense to protect the fuel and release to the outside.. first is the cladding of the fuel pellet, secondly is the tube that the fuel pellets slide into to make a fuel bundle.. 3rd is the reactor pressure vessel and lastly is the containment... most reactors in USA have that fourth level of defense as a steel or concrete containment which must withstand several pounds per square inch of pressure and be robust enough to prevent natural events from damaging it.. like the old jet hitting it..
by dean 7/9/2011 10:53:03 PM

@dean Cooper is an older GE Mark 1 - I assumed any GE BWR would have the heavy containment bulb out of concrete like Fuku does. If they don't and the outer building is the similar to FUku type that would be really light protection.
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:53:22 PM

@dean So the steel lined concrete at Fuku is more than required by NRC in the US?
by lillymunster 7/9/2011 10:54:21 PM

@ lilly . .it's just in a different location.. at fuku it's around the bulb,,, in the usa they are around the whole building.. like those domes you see..
by dean 7/9/2011 10:57:34 PM

fuku built the concrete containment around the steel bulb.. which probably allowed skimping on costs for the outer structural shell of the building.. althought they did make provisions to allow those panels to blast out in the event of an explosion... . TMI on the other hand.. contained any explosion within that outer containment..
by dean 7/9/2011 10:58:56 PM