Japan Earthquake

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So far the only in depth article I have found is held by the Oxford Journal press and they want $42 for it without a promise of having actual testing results or more details on the animal testing program.

I did read some horrific bits on the Nevada test sites. Farmers who migrated their sheep through the radioactive areas soon after a bomb test had large amounts of their flocks die, multi-generational herd issues and mutations. Remind me to never move to Nevada. Bo mentioned there have been about 1000 tests at the Nevada sites.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 8:41:36 PM

@lillymunster that doc I linked has a section on calhoun
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 8:42:50 PM

Savannah river has gators www.usatoday.com
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 8:45:19 PM

@elainekirk still paging through it. They seem to be indicating a 1979 quake there... But no mention in the writing
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 8:53:02 PM

Anyone have any thoughts on the potential for hydrazine to be vaporized and travel in that airborne steam? They used hydrazine for a while to cool the reactors. Now people have asked on twitter if that could be the more likely cause for nosebleeds, sore throats etc. in areas where the radiation wasn't super high...
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 8:54:34 PM

That paper Elaine linked to also says the hydrazine was only used at unit 3 in the reactor and sfp and that is has an impact on plutonium..
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 8:55:55 PM

@lillymunster I never saw those 79 pics on tepco site I am going in...soon as I recover from seeing/hearing a firework stock go up in spectacular (bloody scary) fashion
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 9:05:49 PM

That is the first I have heard of it. I tried to backtrack that person's web account to maybe find their email address with no luck. Thought maybe emailing and asking them what they know about this 1979 business..
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 9:09:23 PM

@lillymunster , I assume they used reptiles because they retain greater regenerative powers than mammals. Lizards can regrow their tails that they shed when a predator is after them. The wiggling tail left behind trips the predator, while the animal gets away. Crocs can regrow claws. The question remains why they did not pick a smaller species. Birth defects in domestic animals around these sites would provide great insight. I never saw any epidemiological studies though.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 9:10:43 PM

Seno, T. Intraplate sesmicity in Tohoku and Hokkaido and large interplate earthquakes: A possibility of a large interplate earthquake off the southern Sanriku coast, northern Japan J. Phys. Earth 27 21-51 1979
Seno, T. 1979. Pattern of intraplate seismicity in southwest Japan before and after great interplate earthquakes Tectonophysics 57 267-283 1979
Rodnikov A. G. (1979). Island arcs of the western part of the Pacific Ocean. Nauka, Moscow, 1979, 152 pp., in Russian.
Sychev P. M. (1979). Deep and surface tectonics processes of the north-western Pacific mobil belt. Nauka, Moscow, 1979, 208 pp., in Russian.
www.drgeorgepc.com
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so if there was a quake in 79 that caused the damage in those pics then there has been a massive cover up because it was known that the fuku site was fuku'ed
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 9:39:50 PM

1979 FEB 20 06:32:32.2 40.23 N 143.70 E 10 6.7 Off east coast of Honshu, Japan
6.0mb(GS) 6.4MS(GS) 6.5MS(BRK) 6.1MS(PAS) 6.7mb(PAS)
Felt (III JMA) at Morioka, Honshu and Obihiro, Hokkaido, (II
JMA) at Aomori and Hachinohe, Honshu, and Hiroo, Urakawa and
Kushiro, Hokkaido and (I JMA) at Sendai, Sakata and Yokohama,
Honshu and Hakodate and Sapporo, Hokkaido.
earthquake.usgs.gov
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 10:09:04 PM

@elainekirk If it was minor damage plus in 79 regulation and oversight might not be what it is today. I know at some point they put shocks on the vent stack towers to keep them from swaying. The fissures should have given someone a clue but track record so far seems to be to learn lessons, don't fix them and do a better job on the next reactor build.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 10:19:21 PM

@lillymunster what is niggling me is why there is no info, why it has never been mentioned it has a faint whiff about it
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 10:24:22 PM

Pre internet and pre-computer so likely no records online. Why nobody in the Japanese media has dug it up is interesting. Where the student found the images is more so.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 10:30:45 PM

Paddy soil was examined in the prefecture in Koriyama, Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident, it has penetrated to a depth of approximately 15 cm part of the radiocesium in the Agricultural Research Center of Tokyo and Fukushima found. Date journals 15 "radioisotope source," to announce.

Examined in late May. 88% of cesium 134 and 137 cm depths up to three radioactive, and 96% remained the same up to 5 cm, was detected in trace amounts at 15 cm depth.
translate.google.com
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 10:33:08 PM

@lillymunster the students credit them to tepco , I am terrible for getting fixated on things till I find the answer but we know the quake happened it is there on that link but hey usgs it is not listed ??? that is what gets me digging
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 10:34:55 PM

@lillymunster 1979 they brought in quake building laws probably prompted by the mystery quake
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 10:36:51 PM

want the date of the 1979 quake
by fitter 8/12/2011 10:41:02 PM

feb 20th
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 10:41:10 PM

This company built 38 of Japans reactor units including Fuku www.kajima.co.jp
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 10:51:49 PM

Problem of what to do with contaminated pool water mainichi.jp
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 10:54:49 PM

Curium and Americium found in nearby towns www.asahi.com They want to send people back there?
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 10:56:40 PM

@lillymunster wow no win situation that is :(
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:02:42 PM

@lillymunster hydrazine:
"Symptoms of acute (short-term) exposure to high levels of hydrazine may include irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat, dizziness, headache, nausea, pulmonary edema, seizures, coma in humans. Acute exposure can also damage the liver, kidneys, and central nervous system. The liquid is corrosive and may produce dermatitis from skin contact in humans and animals. Effects to the lungs, liver, spleen, and thyroid have been reported in animals chronically exposed to hydrazine via inhalation. Increased incidences of lung, nasal cavity, and liver tumors have been observed in rodents exposed to hydrazine." en.wikipedia.org
hydrazine could better account for the nose bleedings than radiation exposure, imo. i don't know if the concentration was high enough to cause symptoms.
by Edano 8/12/2011 11:05:36 PM

@Edano oh that is interesting , amazing what this site throws up :)
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:12:08 PM

by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:12:45 PM

@Edano That had been the big question since there are radiation pockets it is hard to say if someone got a big dose but in Tokyo it doesn't sound like it would be likely to get a big enough dose for a radiation poisoning thing. There was the picture from somewhere in Fukushima prefecture where the woman had the dermatitis looking stuff around her fingernails.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 11:14:00 PM

@lillymunster yes, i remember this.
by Edano 8/12/2011 11:14:45 PM

Of course we can't tell people what is causing their symptoms but at least letting people know it could have another cause might be a good thing.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 11:15:36 PM

that struck me too Lilly
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:16:03 PM

Elaine, what is the piping map from?
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 11:16:21 PM

by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:16:26 PM

noone in fukuishima has suffered from acute radiation syndrome. i think we can be sure about that. it needs doses higher than 500 mSv.
by Edano 8/12/2011 11:17:13 PM

@lillymunster it was floating around t'internet dodging in and out trying to avoid me but I was patient I waited and the when it wasnt looking I pounced and grabbed them and dragged them into picasa where I chopped them into pieces annd...
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:18:30 PM

LOL!
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 11:21:56 PM

the secret lies in the in the bait , you get the right bait in the box and they just pop up and thats when you strike
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:23:34 PM

a treasure map ?
by Edano 8/12/2011 11:24:28 PM

@Edano find the corium
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 11:25:29 PM

:)
by Edano 8/12/2011 11:25:51 PM

@lillymunster do you ever check your dm's on twitter I used to forget about them but have to try and remember to look now is there an alert you can get?
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:27:39 PM

I think you can get an email alert?
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 11:29:55 PM

@Edano you still here
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:30:53 PM

@elainekirk half and half
by Edano 8/12/2011 11:31:11 PM

@Edano tis the pipe rupture at blahdeblah thats why other reactors with same system plans are there 5 & 6 are there too
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:32:22 PM