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  • @Edano thats the one :) you got the link?
    by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:34:33 PM

  • @elainekirk yesyes there was an incident at hamaoka.
    by Edano 8/12/2011 11:37:08 PM

  • then there are lots of treasure maps and tables of different nukes that have modified the pipings or not.
    by Edano 8/12/2011 11:37:50 PM

  • is this a secret ?
    by Edano 8/12/2011 11:39:59 PM

  • @Edano no its not I am just plaaying silly buglers cos I just feel that way out tonight tomoro I willbe in a different mood
    by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:41:00 PM

  • @elainekirk ah okay. why not go downtown and chase lions ? it's friday.
    by Edano 8/12/2011 11:42:13 PM

  • I darent @Edano it's a 4 mile walk and it is dark and wet out there
    by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:44:13 PM

  • @elainekirk you have werwolves out there ?
    by Edano 8/12/2011 11:46:12 PM

  • @elainekirk , what's up with these RHR piping diagrams?
    by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 11:47:13 PM

  • @Edano birds of prey they swoop if I step out back at night they sometimes relieve my constipation
    by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:48:49 PM

  • @Peter Melzer you want em peter t.co
    by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:49:28 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I dunno if anything is up down or whatever with them I just find daiichi pics and bring them here fr perusal
    by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:50:15 PM

  • The company would not say how much oil may have been spilt so far, though it said it had "stemmed the leak significantly".
    www.bbc.co.uk
    Tepcoitus spreads around globe to Scotland but there is no immediate risk to ...
    by elainekirk 8/12/2011 11:57:19 PM

  • @elainekirk , interesting. The diagrmas show where the furniture is on the ground floor of Daichi Units 2 - 4. Elaine, thanks for the link to the Hamaoka reactor incident. The operators must have been scared sh**less. The floor plan identifies a control rod drive repair room, very confidence-building.
    by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 11:58:31 PM

  • @Peter Melzer I think two workers got serious burns or was that another ? in fact it may have been more than serious
    by elainekirk 8/13/2011 12:00:16 AM

  • Interesting bit of info in the accident report under (5) Cause and countermeasure 3, (6) Field investigation : "Most of the ceiling and the wall of the concerned heat exchanger room turned reddish-brown." We just saw reddish brown stains, did not we?
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:20:28 AM

  • @Peter Melzer yes we did @Ian thought they could be cesium
    by elainekirk 8/13/2011 12:23:37 AM

  • @PeterMetzer thank you for your post "Someone posted this site www.enviroreporter.com earlier which I thought is an excellent example for an independent monitoring site. The person asked for our opinion on recent air filter readings published on the site. Here is my take: The median increase in CPM above background of the filter readings is roughly 45 CPM which translates into 0.13 microSv/h or 130 nanoSv/h, according to the conversion provided on the site. For comparison, I provide a reading the Japanese government published in its NISA report to the IAEAfukushima.grs.de , page V-23, below: "The air dose rate was measured on March 30 to April 2, and April 18 and 19, and MEXT released the results on April 21. The measurement results of radioactive materials in air and soil radioactivity concentration conducted on April 2 and 18 were released by the Ministry on April 25. After that, the Ministry releases the results sequentially on and after May 12.
    (Measurement method)
    ・ The air dose rate is measured using more than one monitoring car. The GM (Geiger-Muller) counter, ionization chamber and NaI scintillation detector are used as detector. The soil radioactivity concentration is measured using germanium semiconductor detector for 1,000 or 3,600 seconds per sample (which varies by sample).
    (Measurement results)
    ・ As to the air dose rate within 20km from Fukushima Dai-ichi NPA, relatively high dose
    rate (highest value: 124µSv/h at【44】on April 2) was detected in the northwest direction." The doses measured in the air filters in Santa Monica are 1000 times lower and accumulated over roughly three weeks."
    by Peter Melzer 6:44 AM
    by inCalifornia 8/13/2011 12:28:38 AM

  • @inCalifornia , I hope the info was helpful to you, :)
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:30:13 AM

  • @elainekirk , found no Cs yet, but "Residual water stayed in the down-stream side ruptured pipe was analyzed. As a result of it, ammonium ion and nitric ion were detected in ion analysis. Iron, nickel, chromium and zinc contents were recognized in metal analysis. Co-60 and Mn-54 contents were recognized in radioactivity analysis."
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:37:38 AM

  • @Peter Melzer steel
    by Edano 8/13/2011 12:39:14 AM

  • @Edano , yup: "Radioactivity analysis of the deposited materials to the inner surface of the concerned portion (of the ruptured pipe, ed.) were performed. As a result of it, Co-60 and Mn-54 contents were detected. Iron, nickel, chromium and zinc contents were also recognized in metal analysis."
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:40:44 AM

  • A stagnancy of shellfish www2.jnes.go.jp

    by elainekirk 8/13/2011 12:41:52 AM

  • ...and now to the great finale: "Evaluating above investigation result, it is estimated that prompt hydrogen burning might be the main contributor of the internal pressure increasing, which caused rupture and deformation of the concerned pipe."
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:43:07 AM

  • hydrogen from what ? fuel meltdown ?
    by Edano 8/13/2011 12:44:51 AM

  • @Edano , I am still examining this, but assume they mean hydrogen from radiolysis that accumulated in a pocket where the pipe had a bend.
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:47:31 AM

  • Yes, that was supposed to be the source: "Hydrogen and oxygen are generated by water radiolysis in reactor."
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:52:40 AM

  • I must correct one of my posts, the high concentrations of hydrogen and oxygen were found in the intact pipe of the unharmed unit, that is Unit 2, whereas the remaining piping of Unit 1 still contained somewhat elevated levels after the rupture. Hence this should have read:
    "Resident gas component analysis stayed in the steam condensate system pipe (A) of the residual heat removal system in the Unit-1 and in the similar location of the same pipe in the Unit-2 was performed. As a result of it, higher concentrations of hydrogen (0.6vol%) and oxygen (19vol%) in comparison with air were detected in (A) system of the Unit-1 (the one with the pipe rupture, ed.). High concentrations of hydrogen (46vol%) and oxygen (23%vol) were detected in the Unit-2."
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 12:58:55 AM

  • @Peter I have taken the other one down is that ok :)
    by elainekirk 8/13/2011 1:00:36 AM

  • @elainekirk , yes, definitely. Thanks, what this tells us is that the pipe of the intact unit could have exploded anytime. As a result of this fiasco, the operator pledged to install valves near that location to release the gases periodically in all other reactors with the same RHR piping layout.
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 1:05:25 AM

  • Ohio gozaimasu all
    by bo 8/13/2011 1:14:10 AM

  • @Peter Melzer but they didnt did they?
    by elainekirk 8/13/2011 1:24:58 AM

  • @elainekirk , darn, no explanation as to the reddish-brown color. Perhaps it was a product of the prompt hydrogen burn (from conflagration to detonation as they put it in their report), ;).
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 1:27:03 AM

  • @Peter Melzer you would think they would have analysed it
    by elainekirk 8/13/2011 1:28:21 AM

  • @elainekirk, as to the retrofitting, most reactors were. At the time of the list at the end of the report, Daiichi Units 2, 3 and 5 had not been done.
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 1:30:10 AM

  • OK... As a person in this current struggle in Japan, I don't have cognitive room to think about reactors' situations. Is it OK?
    by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 1:30:46 AM

  • @you , good morning, bo!
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 1:30:47 AM

  • @ikrockhopper yes you dont have to talk reactors
    by elainekirk 8/13/2011 1:31:29 AM

  • @ikrockhopper welcome !!
    by Edano 8/13/2011 1:31:39 AM

  • @ikrockhopper Good to meet you, bye the way!
    by Mid Valley 8/13/2011 1:32:39 AM

  • @Edano hahaha, I don't want to see 'your' face, Mr. Edano, Mr. 'No immediate health effect' guy!
    by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 1:32:39 AM

  • @Mid Valley good to meet you! Talk to you soon! Thankyou for your support!
    by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 1:33:14 AM

  • @ikrockhopper :) i am the face of the disaster.
    by Edano 8/13/2011 1:33:38 AM

  • @Edano yes, but we have many other faces :(
    by ikrockhopper 8/13/2011 1:34:14 AM

  • @ikrockhopper , this crisis is much larger than technology, welcome!
    by Peter Melzer 8/13/2011 1:34:18 AM

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