@Lurking that is good to know :-)
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:54:32 AM
@lilly I can't speak with authority, but I wouldn't be surprised. Or at least they can really create compelling social pressure, which is hard to resist here. Japan is the only place I know of in the world where no one crosses the street on a red light, even if there is no traffic in sight.
by bo 8/15/2011 1:54:43 AM
@bo I worry how this will play out as people try to get compensation for exposure. Edano mentioned private doctors won't be able to do gamma count scans. The study seems to not include them. So potentially people can't get them? Or if they are available they will be forced into the study to obtain one.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:58:16 AM
@Lurking the big challenge right now is finding unbiased studies that actually quantify that an exposure to a type of radiation at a certain level increases someone change of getting a cancer or other health impact by a number or percentage. People seem to really want some honest numbers to understand all of this. I don't blame them. If you run across something that might have that data please make sure someone gets a link to it.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 2:00:01 AM
@lilly that may be. This would surely be a way to have control over the results rather than having all kinds of doctors providing differing results and opinions. There is no doubt that the forces aligned against the ability of people to be properly compensated are very substantial and will only increase. Just as in the construction of these plants to begin with, limiting public knowledge and access to compensation is the first priority. Only if the health impacts are so grievous and widespread that the population becomes incensed will it be any different.
by bo 8/15/2011 2:02:42 AM
This is almost certainly because as long as they stay in the shelters, they can believe they might return to their homes. Once they enter "temporary housing" they probably feel that it will not be so temporary.
Evacuees slow to leave shelters
The Yomiuri Shimbun
Mosquito nets at an evacuation shelter in Ishinomaki, Miyagi Prefecture
SENDAI--Five months after the Great East Japan Earthquake, a number of evacuees remain reluctant to move into temporary housing units, leaving some municipal governments unable to close evacuation centers in Miyagi Prefecture.
According to local officials, about 7,300 disaster survivors are still staying at shelters in the prefecture.
www.yomiuri.co.jpby bo 8/15/2011 2:05:54 AM
@Lurking very true, anything that is not grossly skewed or using bad methodology works.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 2:09:57 AM
@Lurking they also lost food assistance and other public assistance so if someone was retired or low income they lost that lifeline while in the shelter
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 2:10:33 AM
@lurking I imagine so. The victimization continues.
by bo 8/15/2011 2:11:12 AM
@bo I can't remember if I posted this last night or not. Lots of denial about moving home and home is 3km from the plant.
Okuma residents think they will go home
www.minpo.jpby lillymunster 8/15/2011 2:11:20 AM
@lilly thanks. There are still people from Bikini Atoll that talk about "going home" even after 50 years.
by bo 8/15/2011 2:12:36 AM
Trying to decypher the translation but it looks like the person is saying that contaminated rice could either be sold in the US or exported and reimported to avoid the testing and fukushima stigma so someone can make a quick buck.
wpb.shueisha.co.jpby lillymunster 8/15/2011 3:05:31 AM
An interview with my research collaborator Mick Broderick about our Global Hibakusha Project on Australian national radio:
www.radioaustralia.net.auby bo 8/15/2011 7:15:26 AM
Regarding Additional Temporary Payments for Persons Engaged in Agriculture and Forestry for Losses Caused by the Nuclear Accident
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 8/15/2011 8:06:25 AM
@bo this morning there are many radio/video links I must get new headphones so I can listen
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 8:59:41 AM
Radioactive dog days of summer.
by bo 8/15/2011 9:01:53 AM
New Japan Focus issue out:
Chemical Contamination, Cleanup and Longterm Consequences of Japan’s Earthquake and Tsunami
japanfocus.orgby bo 8/15/2011 9:03:51 AM
@bo is this holiday going to be unique bo there is so much activity on twitter is is making my eyeballs spin I try to translate but they whizz past too fast
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 9:14:43 AM
@elainekirk it may be. Many people are off of work, and so have some free time. Also, summer is so brutal here that everyone stays inside. As soon as the heat breaks people will be out and about and not online as much. Fall and spring are the wonderful times of year here.
by bo 8/15/2011 9:26:14 AM
I got a feeling in my bones will go get coffee
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 9:34:48 AM
ok, now i can post what i found:
"Here's a tweet by a medical doctor, @KamiMasahiro 上 昌広. His Twitter profile says he is a doctor in internal medicine, and the site he lists on Twitter goes to the Tokyo University Institute of Medical Science, and he is a professor in the Division of Social Communication System.
His June 13 tweet:
Message from the doctor I worked with in Iitate-mura [in Fukushima Prefecture], when we gave medical advice to the villagers. I don't know what they [the government ministries] are thinking. "Today, our hospital received a written notice signed by both the Ministry of Education and Science and the Ministry of Health and Welfare. The notice says
"The medical checkups and research of the residents in the areas affected by the nuke plant accident are allowed only if the permission to do so is given by the related scientific societies and associations; otherwise it would only increase the burden on the residents.""
fukushima.physikblog.euby Edano 8/15/2011 10:00:08 AM
this means, "normal" doctors are not allowed to do medical checkups on fukushima residents.
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:02:38 AM
@Edano this is wrong in so many ways !!
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 10:04:14 AM
@elainekirk maybe you could follow dr. @KamiMasahiro 上 昌広.
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:04:20 AM
@Edano ok now following
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 10:05:39 AM
@Pedro Jesus just google Dr. Shunichi Yamashita
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:05:54 AM
he leads the studies on thyroid exposition in fukushima.
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:06:25 AM
@Edano I am not surprised at all. After all, it is a tradition to treat exposed people as research subjects in Japan. And, it affords control over the information.
by bo 8/15/2011 10:09:29 AM
@you he uses ultrasound, urine and blood tests and "cytoscreening" to detect thyroid exposure, but no gammacounter. we discussed that theme all over the weekend.
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:10:17 AM
@bo i cannot imagine that any government could forbid me to do medical checkups. i am not responsible to the government, i am responsible to my patients. i would tell the govm to f.o.
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:13:29 AM
@Edano I'm sure that is true for most Japanese physicians as well. These efforts to control the information may or may not pan out as the govt. expects.
by bo 8/15/2011 10:14:54 AM
@Pedro Jesus i did not put a subtitle, and the translation is correct.
by Edano 8/15/2011 10:16:27 AM
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 10:17:01 AM
First posting of this data on Yamashita-san at EX-SKF in June:
ex-skf.blogspot.com almost word for word with the youtube translation
by bo 8/15/2011 10:17:44 AM
@Lily hi - still spending more time lurking than posting, I check this site daily.by Lurking 8/15/2011 1:54:05 AM
bumpby Mid Valley 8/15/2011 4:30:01 AM
Tatsuhiko Kodama, 58, who heads the Radioisotope Center at Todai, was called to provide expert testimony before the Lower House Health, Labor and Welfare Committee on July 27.
@lillym et al. looking for radiation and health effects data: This guy told it like it was. en.wikipedia.org His hypothesis was that no dose was safe. en.wikipedia.orgby bojack54 8/15/2011 6:47:58 AM
Hi all. I have a couple of questions. What do you pretend to achieve by pinning that post of Mr Yamashita which is either fake or a very bad translation? Has anyone fluent in Japanese confirmed that what we read on the subtitles is in fact what is being said?by Pedro Jesus 8/15/2011 10:03:39 AM
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