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@Edano What? ::headdesk::
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 9:48:26 PM

:) they are everywhere.
by Edano 8/14/2011 9:50:35 PM

This is an old article but written in easy to understand terms so average people can understand radioactive iodine. www.scientificamerican.com
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 9:50:38 PM

@Edano IAEA is involved in lots of this stuff. I would really like to know the purpose of the relationship and any funding.
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 9:51:10 PM

Cesium levels down in seawater near reactors 2, 3

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says the density of radioactive cesium in seawater near the water intakes of the No.2 and 3 reactors was down on Saturday to about one tenth of the levels detected on the previous day.

Tokyo Electric Power Company monitors the concentration of radioactive substances in seawater near the water intakes of the plant and offshore.

Seawater collected near the water intake of the No.2 reactor on Saturday was found to contain 0.058 becquerels of cesium-134, or 0.97 times the government-set safety limit. It also contained 0.056 becquerels of cesium-137, or 0.62 times the limit. Both figures were around one tenth of the level found on the previous day.

In April, the level of cesium-137 in seawater near the water intake of the No.2 reactor was found to be 1.1 million times the safety limit. Since then, the density of the radioactive element has been declining, and recently it has fallen below the limit sometimes.

Seawater sampled near the water intake of the No.3 reactor on Saturday was found to contain 0.087 becquerels of cesium-134, or 1.5 times the safety limit. It also contained 0.09 becquerels of cesium-137, or about the same as the limit. Both figures were less than one tenth of the level found on the previous day.

Seawater taken from 6 spots offshore was found to contain no radioactive materials.

Monday, August 15, 2011 05:47 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 8/14/2011 9:53:39 PM

@Edano good find lets add that to the debunk file
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 9:54:11 PM

i have a lot of nice documents in another browser window and now it's blocked. i could cry.
by Edano 8/14/2011 9:56:28 PM

@lillymunster just thinking the maps will give an idea of external dose but the internal dose especially with milk which could have come from a high dose are ..
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 9:59:07 PM

@Edano erm where does tepco imagine all the radiation suddenly disappeared to? they are not supposed to be 'leaking' any into the sea so what is already there should read the same day-day as it has suddenly disappeared it means that a large body of radioactive water has moved somewhere it cannot just become un-radioactive....or am I being thick?
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:04:49 PM

@elainekirk it diluted. but i did not read that they had a leak recently.
by Edano 8/14/2011 10:05:59 PM

if it diluted it means their barrier isnt working and that we now have yet more radiation floating around our oceans mutating our fish
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:07:52 PM

I would guess the radiation sunk and would show in sediment or moved off in the current. IIRC someone did sediment tests a few months back and they showed concentratons
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:08:03 PM

After reading that 2006 study Yamashita did he seems to have only an interest in studying the cancers pathology and has zero interest in public health matters. These people are his new batch of guinea pigs.

by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:09:41 PM

@lillymunster exactly I am still looking for maps but then I am going to search him for long term exposure see if we can not just trip him but land him face down in a cow pat
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:21:05 PM

@lillymunster how many children did he say developed cancer?
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:24:10 PM

@elainekirk 200,000 studied 5000 got thyroid cancer. No mentions in the study at all about other thyroid disorders that can happen due to exposure.

These were kids that showed cancer mostly in the late 90's to 2000.
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:26:10 PM

@lillymunster first your map but dont go away allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:32:31 PM

Hi lilimunster and every one! Here are my responses.

First, I need to give you my credibility, it seems. I used to work at health check-up organization in Tokyo as PR person for 14 years before I went to grad school, so, I am sure I know what the news says and did the translation pretty correct.

This is a procedure Dr. Yamashita and others came up for thyroid, not for radiation detection, as I wrote at the beginning of the paragraph, although this is part of the All Fukushimas health checkup.

I did literal translation of everything. I put my comments and notes in parenthesis. I know I should not change things in translation of this type. And, we have all the technology and techniques in Japan, so we have JP words exactly equivalent to English word.

Ultrasound is ultrasound. I know what it is. and (Kahoku Shimpou News, July, 25) says it. First ultrasound to find "lump" sort of thing (the news says). If found, 'cytoscreening', the news wrote. Cytoscreening (the news writes) is cell smear tests in Japanese, too, like Pap. However, in this case, I am not sure the news is accurate though. It may mean "fine-needle aspiration cytology" type. The news writer would not know differences. And, I don't know about details about thyroid exam. In any case the news only says 'cytoscreening.' Plus, urine and blood test.

Just in case, I put the news translation here again.

"Thyroid exam for children younger than 18 years old at March 11, and lived in Fukushima at that time. Approximately, 360,000 will be a target population. Preliminary exam will be done at the Fukushima Medical University during October, and then, will be done at 11 medical institutions in the prefecture. All will be done until March 2014, and will do continuous check-up every 2 years up to 20 years old. After 20 years old, exam will be every 5 years. Procesure: 1st screening by ultrasound. 2nd screening by cytoscreening, blood and urine tests. Purpose is to reassure parents, according to Dr. Yamashita, the VP of the university. (Kahoku Shimpou News, July, 25)
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:34:05 PM

NCRP standards seem to be much lower also "For human-made sources, annual dose limits for members of the public are 1 mSv (100 mrem) for continuous exposures and 5 mSv (500 mrem) for infrequent exposures. It is an ALARA standard, and has a constraint of 25% of the limit from one single source. " www.tenorm.com
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:34:36 PM

this is a paper from takamura and yamashita for the fuku the words are taka's but the lecture is joint Profe ssor TAKAMURA
What happened at Chernobyl?
A nuclear core reactor exploded. High doses of radioactive Cesium-137 and Iodine-131
(I-131) were released into the air. Eventually about 87 children developed thyroid cancer,
which is a potential side effect of prolonged or excessive I-131 exposure.
What about the Fukushima nuclear plants?..
so @Lilly your 5000 have become 87 cbbstoday.org
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:35:44 PM

@ikrockhopper Thank you so much. We wanted to double check in case we were getting it wrong. IT just seemed so bizarre that they are not doing gamma counter checks. That whole study just doesn't really do anything to help people. After reading two of Yamashita's papers today he doesn't seem interested in public health or people's safety.
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:37:00 PM

@ikrockhopper yeah!! the man yamashita is a fraud thanks for exposing him
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:37:37 PM

@ikrockhopper I hope you didn't take offense. :-) We were just so confused by the study outline. :-)
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:37:55 PM

@lillymunster No, no! No worries :) I know you don't know what I am :) I just wanted to tell you I know this kind of stuff, and this is why I am sooooooo concerned. Thank you for double checking!
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:39:09 PM

@ikrockhopper the two papers @Lilly talks of I was hoping you could use them to show people how he has lied
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:39:49 PM

Dr. Yamashita does not have any interest in people's health
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:39:54 PM

@ikrockhopper it is just crazy that this is being presented as help. All this is, is making people into guinea pigs for his studies. :-(

by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:39:58 PM

Everyone knows Yamashita is a lier. But, the thing is that no one can stop him. He brought lots of money when he landed to the medical univ
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:41:26 PM

As you guys wrote down there, definitely US give them money somehow. I think.
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:41:58 PM

@ikrockhopper we started saving links from our discussions today including a video and the papers from Yamashita. Hope they help. Compiled them here and will add as we go. wp.me
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:42:08 PM

I am thinking to keep his funding going he had to keep finding harmful effects at chernobyl but fuku to get his money he has to find no effects that makes him dangerous in the extreme
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:42:47 PM

@ikrockhopper people need proper testing to know their exposure and ongoing medical treatment. This study gives them none of that. I hope people are not compelled to participate.
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:43:20 PM

@edano said something earlier I will return just had an idea
by elainekirk 8/14/2011 10:43:36 PM

Right. This is part of ABCC study, but opposite purpose, I guess. No health effects of low-dose rad. that's their hypothesis
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:44:33 PM

His 2006 study found 1 in 40 of the study got thyroid cancer when they got older. He knows he is lying to people. Anything we can do to help build the case and help get people to see what he is and maybe get him out.
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:44:55 PM

@ikrockhopper Who is ABCC the atomic bomb study?
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:45:14 PM

@lillymunster yes, the study.
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:45:39 PM

There are residual of ABCC in Japan still. I forget the name... there are so many different research centers of this kind....
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:46:29 PM

back
by dean 8/14/2011 10:46:34 PM

@ikrockhopper Bo knows lots about the post war study, very sad. Even by the things we have found over the weekend, there is clear risk models for lower doses showing up. How these people can turn around and claim everything is fine is just crazy. Can the mothers groups help if we arm them with all this information in a way they can all understand?
by lillymunster 8/14/2011 10:47:18 PM

@lillymunster ABSOLUTELY, it will be a big help! I will write down all the concerns among parents on Twiter. Wait minutes.
by ikrockhopper 8/14/2011 10:48:36 PM