I noticed that article completely ignored the impact of renewables and conservation. There were the big threats of major blackouts. People conserved and the blackouts didn't happen. If Japan has a lost decade they will have plenty of company in the world.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 12:35:16 AM
@elainekirk there is a reason I am not a mathematician. :-) I think that info is very useful. We need to make sure it gets run by some of the bigger brains. :-)
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 12:37:42 AM
@elainekirk sounds good. good find !
by Edano 8/15/2011 12:37:54 AM
@Diane_NJ they could be a great example for other countries. We waste way too much energy in the US and it gets promoted as some sort of birthright to keep people wasting it.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 12:47:21 AM
NHK: Radioactive Material Detected in Fukushima Children's Thyroids
Over in Japan
reports indicate that more than five-hundred children in the country's Fukushima prefecture have been exposed to radiation.
Japan's public broadcaster NHK reported over the weekend that radioactive iodine has been detected in the thyroids of half of some one-thousand Fukushima children.
The research was conducted by Satoshi Tashiro, a professor at Hiroshima University, who said that although the radiation levels are low and will unlikely post a serious health threat, the children should continue to be monitored.
Concerns over radiation exposure have been rising among parents in Fukushima Prefecture, a region still struggling to contain the nuclear fallout following the March quake and tsunami and according to the Mainichi Daily, the nuclear crisis in the region has prompted some 14-thousand children to move to different schools since March.
www.arirang.co.krby lillymunster 8/15/2011 12:52:58 AM
Hi Shadow!
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 12:55:26 AM
Howdy Shadow.
by bo 8/15/2011 12:56:10 AM
@Shadow echoing my thoughts too shadow
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 1:01:53 AM
@Shadow LOL thanks. :-)
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:02:17 AM
Has anybody got some tissues please I want to cry.
www.nsc.go.jp Attachment 1 shows a list of results of measurements of air dose rates in outdoor
areas of schools, etc., in Fukushima Prefecture, executed on May 12 and 13. At the one
school that exceeded 3.8 μSv/h until now, this measurement confirmed that the rate has
fallen to below 3.8 μSv/h. In both these measurement results and further measurements
implemented on May 19, no facility was found to exceed 3.8μSv/h.
In order to confirm the likely impact of opening windows on the air dose rate, given
the anticipated rise in temperatures over the coming weeks and months, comparative
measurements were carried out on May 19 with the windows both open and closed.
Results of these measurements are shown in Attachment 2. Measurements taken
immediately after the opening and closing of windows showed no significant variation
in data recorded when windows were opened compared to that recorded when they
were closed, and as a result it is considered that the opening and closing of windows
will have little impact on air dose rates.
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 1:05:14 AM
@Shadow I have another goj doc here 2007 assessment of risk go read item (90)
www.nsc.go.jp read the last line of it 3 times before you fall off your chair
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 1:13:52 AM
@Shadow good seeing you again. :-)
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:14:06 AM
@lillymunster @Shadow I think I should stop reading these docs I will never sleep
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 1:15:44 AM
@elainekirk oh Elaine that reminded me of issues with radiotherapy in the US. The hospitals boot people out so fast due to insurance not wanting to pay for extra days in hospital. They give the patients strict rules about not being around little kids for a set number of days. I don't know what the normal therapeutic dose is...
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:17:42 AM
@lillymunster minefield isnt it :(
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 1:20:30 AM
This gives a better understanding of I-131 and explains the low dose vs. high dose paradox in the thyroid!
en.wikipedia.orgby lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:20:43 AM
I must go to sleep , till tomoro :)
by elainekirk 8/15/2011 1:25:29 AM
@elainekirk nite Elaine
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:29:04 AM
Good night elaine, and thanks.
by bo 8/15/2011 1:29:26 AM
Just what we need!
Japan Prepares for Its First Import of Radioactive Waste Since Earthquake
www.bloomberg.comby bo 8/15/2011 1:31:29 AM
@bo I saw that. Sounds like they are running out of storage room too.
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:33:12 AM
@bo
Irradiated soil should be stored in Fukushima for a while: GembaFUKUSHIMA, Japan, Aug. 14, Kyodo
National policy minister Koichiro Gemba said Sunday that irradiated soil and sludge to be eliminated from areas around the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant should be stored temporarily in Fukushima Prefecture before final disposal measures are worked out.
Gemba, who doubles as chief policymaker of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, told reporters, ''We should store the soil and sludge somewhere in the prefecture as an interim measure. The national government should be responsible'' for the issue.
Gemba made the remarks after visiting temporary housing in the prefecture for evacuees who were affected by the March earthquake and tsunami.
english.kyodonews.jpby Edano 8/15/2011 1:34:03 AM
@Edano but still no advice from Gemba about the soil being removed from the schools?
by bo 8/15/2011 1:34:52 AM
Japanese firms developing radiation checkersJapanese businesses are developing devices to gauge levels of radioactive substances in food to meet the needs of municipalities and food makers.
The move is prompted by recent news that contaminated meat was shipped from cattle suspected of having been fed rice straw containing radioactive materials.
Medical equipment maker, Hitachi Aloka Medical, has developed a device with a lead container, which almost completely blocks radioactivity.
The device can measure amounts of radioactive elements in samples in about 10 minutes.
The company says the measuring time can be shortened significantly by reducing the number of radioactive materials selected for scanning. The firm has already received around 200 orders for the equipment.
Another company, Fuji Electric, has developed a machine that can measure radioactive substances in products packed in containers such as cardboard boxes.
The machine quickly displays whether or not products contain radioactive elements exceeding pre-set levels.
Demand for these devices is expected to rise as an increasing number of municipalities and food makers are gearing up to test products for radioactive materials.
Hitachi Aloka Medical Managing Director Shohei Matsubara says his company is currently unable to keep up with the demand for its radiation checking device.
He adds that his firm wants to develop products that meet the needs of society.
Monday, August 15, 2011 05:47 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp by Edano 8/15/2011 1:36:15 AM
i guess these new mashines have built-in tepco threshold levels.
by Edano 8/15/2011 1:38:16 AM
@bo have you seen the video pinned above ? do you know mr yamashita and what do you think of his expert meaning ?
by Edano 8/15/2011 1:40:02 AM
@Edano yes I've seen it and also read the earlier articles about the talk at EX-SFK. I'm glad there is a video because more people will learn of this outrageous presentation than will by reading. I remember that he was later quoted as privately saying he made these remarks because he was afraid that all the medical personnel would leave and he wanted to calm them. I know that he is very despised in Tohoku and among those following the events. In terms of the general public, I can't imagine that he is respected. There is such widespread distrust of governmental discounting of the importance of radiation that most people are probably immune to such outright silly talk.
by bo 8/15/2011 1:44:56 AM
@bo he is the chief of the radiation checking team now in fukushima.
by Edano 8/15/2011 1:46:58 AM
@Edano yes, but we have seen many examples of public anger expressed towards him in the area. We have surely seen no example of him being treated with respect in Fukushima. He may have the ear of the mayor and of the government in Tokyo, but he has very little public credibility. Remember the reports about a month ago of him not doing public talks anymore because of the angry public response.
by bo 8/15/2011 1:48:48 AM
Of course in that position he can do damage, but we can expect little better from official organizations as we have seen.
by bo 8/15/2011 1:49:23 AM
i know this kind of people they have a hybris they think they can do and say everything without ever getting damaged. and i can to some extend believe that he was only (badly) joking. but i really doubt he is the right man for this crisis. people want respect and truth.
by Edano 8/15/2011 1:52:36 AM
@Lurking hi!
@Bo, do you have any idea if they can compel residents to participate in this survey?
by lillymunster 8/15/2011 1:53:13 AM
Agreed. He is a poster child for the brutal disregard of public trust and health.
by bo 8/15/2011 1:53:38 AM
Yes @bo. What will my little grandkids be facing after the bankers are done making a mess of the world?by Diane_NJ 8/15/2011 12:36:44 AM
Hi all; Still around and just lurking. I see not much changed. Hope Everyone is well.by Shadow 8/15/2011 12:54:45 AM
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