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  • @RadioGuy there was an announcement a few years ago that providers were to cut back on CT scan use due to these new findings. I don't know if similar changes were issued in other countries or if the US was CT scan happy because we have for profit medicine?
    I had an ENT try to arm twist me into getting a CT scan when I went in to get some allergy meds for hayfever. They just got the machine, only backed off when they realized my deductible hadn't been met for the year because I made them check my insurance.
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 1:54:50 AM

  • hi dean
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:01:44 AM

  • @Edano, yeah, the crane doen't look right www.tepco.co.jp Seems like its arm might be in the upper-deck debris.
    by Ian 8/22/2011 2:03:06 AM

  • Apparently Yamashita was turned before March 24th, 2011: cbbstoday.org
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:03:32 AM

  • But even then:
    Vulnerability is related to age, and our youngest are most vulnerable. In Chernobyl,
    adults over age 20 suffered no health hazards. So, in Fukushima, evacuations should be
    for babies and children. Adults over 20 do not need to be evacuated.
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:04:26 AM

  • I think I'd contest his statement about no adults over 20 were harmed by Chernobyl, as well.
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:05:44 AM

  • It seems it is now official people within 20km at least will not go home. australiancannonball.com
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:08:17 AM

  • @RadioGuy I don't know how people can get away with saying that people over 20 haven't been harmed by Chernobyl. Cancers take years to form..it's only been 25 years. Who's to say there won't be a crop of 40 somethings developing early cancers because of it?
    by LM 8/22/2011 2:12:44 AM

  • Extract

    Japanese newspaper The Daily Yomiuri reports government sources have said it could be “several decades” before the area is considered safe to enter.

    For the first time, the government has released figures revealing that many communities within 20 kilometres of the complex have contamination levels up to 500 times higher than safety limits.

    The radiation readings were taken in 50 locations within a 20-kilometre radius of the Fukushima nuclear plant.

    End Extract:
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:13:26 AM

  • @ elaine.. is there enough information in the writing I did to post?
    by dean 8/22/2011 2:14:38 AM

  • @ lilly oops
    by dean 8/22/2011 2:15:37 AM

  • @dean I think so did you pick it up @Lillymunster it was excellent
    by elainekirk 8/22/2011 2:15:40 AM

  • I wanted to include the graph showing..
    by dean 8/22/2011 2:15:49 AM

  • Here are a couple of worthwhile links from that ex-SKF story just below.
    I found the link to the presentation by Dr. Katsumi Shozugawa of Tokyo University (Department of General Systems Studies, Graduate School of Arts and Sciences) on July 2 in the blog written by an opposition assemblyman in Minami Soma City. user.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp

    Dr. Shozugawa's webpage is here: user.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
    Google translate it. It has his table of soil sample readings on the page.
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:16:23 AM

  • @AustralianCannonball based on? The most I found so far admitted decades for some areas. Did you find something new?
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:18:58 AM

  • @ lilly and elaine,, I did want to clarify, based on RBeaners earlier comments that any study which can show that lower doses are not as severe from the standpoint of cancers is welcomed and encouraged but, not for the purpose of supporting and increase of limits currently in place.
    by dean 8/22/2011 2:19:27 AM

  • @dean I posted it earlier today. If you can repost the graph I can go add it in.
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:19:30 AM

  • ok @ lilly
    by dean 8/22/2011 2:19:42 AM

  • graph showing the different models for radiation and cancer risk

    by dean 8/22/2011 2:21:05 AM

  • @lillymunster I'm just pointing out the article. I didn't write it.
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:21:14 AM

  • Read in full.
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:21:20 AM

  • Alternative assumptions for the extrapolation of the cancer risk vs. radiation dose to low-dose levels, given a known risk at a high dose: supra-linearity (A), linear (B), linear-quadratic (C) and hormesis (D).
    by dean 8/22/2011 2:21:47 AM

  • @AustralianCannonball what article?
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:21:49 AM

  • @lillymunster It's the ABC.au article
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:23:04 AM

  • @AustralianCannonball they said decades, not never go home. Though I think the admission of never is coming, the article and quotes from officials have yet to admit it.
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:24:07 AM

  • Which contains this infuriating statement: "For the first time, the government has released figures revealing that many communities within 20 kilometres of the complex have contamination levels up to 500 times higher than safety limits."

    Gee, too bad we waited 5 months to run these tests!
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:24:40 AM

  • The Japanese government says highly radioactive areas around the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant will remain no-go zones for decades after the damaged complex is stabilised.

    Authorities say they plan to bring the stricken nuclear plant to a state of cold shutdown early next year.

    But with some areas near the complex continuing to show high levels of radioactive contamination, the government says it is unavoidable that some places will remain no-go zones.

    Japanese newspaper The Daily Yomiuri reports government sources have said it could be "several decades" before the area is considered safe to enter.

    For the first time, the government has released figures revealing that many communities within 20 kilometres of the complex have contamination levels up to 500 times higher than safety limits.

    The radiation readings were taken in 50 locations within a 20-kilometre radius of the Fukushima nuclear plant.

    Based on that data, the government has released estimates of the annual dose of radiation residents would be exposed to.

    It found that in one town, Okuma, people would receive a dose of 508 milisieverts per year - more than 500 times the acceptable limit.

    At more than half the locations it was more than 20 times the limit.

    Tokyo Institute of Technology's associate professor of radiobiology, Yoshihisa Matsumoto, says efforts to decontaminate the area will likely prove difficult.

    Reactors at Fukushima melted down in March after the earthquake and tsunami which killed tens of thousands of people knocked out back-up power plants at the site.
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:25:05 AM

  • Thats the whole article. Interpret how you like.
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:25:41 AM

  • I've had a long day.. I must rest.. be back in a few hours..
    by dean 8/22/2011 2:25:59 AM

  • @AustralianCannonball @lillymunster We've seen them trot out Grandma-on-the-roof enough to see where it's going. They never admit to the worst in the first (or second, or maybe even third) pass. g
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:26:45 AM

  • @RadioGuy exactly. While these people sat in shelters thinking they could go home soon. I posted an article last week. One of the JP papers asked people in the evac center when or if they thought they would go home. Only a small percentage thought they would never go home. It has been painfully obvious that the town 3km from the plant is probably a lost cause as soon as the reactors blew up.
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:27:55 AM

  • @RadioGuy I am taking bets on a Tues admission or next Monday.
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:28:29 AM

  • Reading between the lines: It's been 5 months. The evacuation is now going to last decades. The plant has yet to have anything but the barest of pretenses of "stability".
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:28:39 AM

  • Something else I found: australiancannonball.com
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:28:44 AM

  • If they are alive in decades they can return home!
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:29:13 AM

  • @AustralianCannonball could you link to the article you found instead of making people hop through multiple links?
    by lillymunster 8/22/2011 2:29:31 AM

  • very sad this whole situation.
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:29:34 AM

  • I pasted the whole article. I spend much time making my website. Give a brother a hand!
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:30:06 AM

  • @all It's unconscionable that they've been stringing these poor people along. It would be far better for everyone if they were told you can't go home so they can move on and have some sort of closure.
    by LM 8/22/2011 2:30:07 AM

  • @lillymunster It's the same one you posted below.
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:30:22 AM

  • @LM Imagine what that would have done to the financial markets. Suddenly, even the surviving homes are uninhabitable, their entire market value simply written off the books for an indeterminate time.
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:32:22 AM

  • You probably can't even use the land. Though there will be a market for land to use as radioactive waste sites.
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:33:41 AM

  • @LM My daughter turned 1 yesterday and I still had to find time to embed vdeos etc. At least even if people hop through I create a central point. I made $5 dollars in adsens money this month so trust me when I say I don't do it for the money. Case closed.
    by AustralianCannonball 8/22/2011 2:33:58 AM

  • @RadioGuy True....Money talks.
    by LM 8/22/2011 2:33:59 AM

  • @AustralianCannonball heh...we know you don't AC. None of us are living high on the hog over this endeavor.
    by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 2:34:44 AM

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