Japan Earthquake

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@lilly, I not paying attention enough to my typing. The counters with built-in probes are NOT as sensitive and versatile. Sorry, ;)
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 3:46:00 PM

@lilly, if you ever found something interesting at the site, perhaps you could interest a lab like Berkeley in conducting tests for plutonium etc. on soil samples from the area.
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 3:49:55 PM

@lillymunster: Not apparently...
You can read a extensive report of it here thewatchers.adorraeli.com
by estacion 8/23/2011 4:02:00 PM

Investigation of an earthquake swarm near Trinidad, Colorado August-October 2001. (USGS)
“In recent years, the area west of Trinidad has become the focus of extensive drilling for the production of coal-bed methane. Water from the coal-bed methane production is returned to the subsurface in disposal wells, and local citizens and officials in the Trinidad area expressed concern that the earthquakes might be somehow related to this fluid disposal. Previous cases of subsurface fluid disposal causing earthquakes have been reported elsewhere in Colorado.” (USGS)
thewatchers.adorraeli.com
by estacion 8/23/2011 4:13:26 PM

@Peter Melzer I am really interested to see if there is anything elevated around there. One of the local physics professors took readings back in the 90's and supposedly found unusually elevated levels.

@all - out of the office for a bit.
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 4:19:36 PM

@lillymunster www.charity-commission.gov.uk the quote is from the accounts they filed last year with the English Charity Commission in $'s which the charity commission converted 1:1 to £'s..... very strange carry on you will also find funding sources there.
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And from another doc

The activities of ICRP are financed mainly by voluntary contributions from national and international
bodies with an interest in radiological protection. Some additional funds accrue from royalties on ICRP
Publications. Members’ institutions also provide financial support to ICRP by making the members time
available without charge and, in many cases, contributing to their costs of attending meetings.
ICRP works closely with its sister Commission, ICRU, and has relationship with many other bodies, e.g.
within the United Nations structure, with IAEA, ILO, PAHO, UNEP, UNSCEAR, and WHO; other bodies
include IEC, ISO, OECD/NEA, and IRPA. The relationships imply exchange of information; it must be stressed
that ICRP and the various bodies mentioned are completely independent of each other.
www.irpa.net
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 4:22:44 PM

How are effects of radiation classified?
There are two basic categories of the biological effects that may be observed in irradiated
persons. These are 1) due largely to cell killing (deterministic) and 2 mutations which may result in
cancer and hereditary effects (stochastic or probabilistic ). Effects due to cell killing (such as skin
necrosis) have a practical threshold dose below which the effect is not evident but in general when the
effect is present its severity increases with the radiation dose. The threshold dose is not an absolute
number and vary somewhat by individual. Effects due to mutations (such as cancer) have a
probability of occurrence that increases with dose, it is currently judged that there is not a threshold
below which the effect will not occur and finally the severity of the effects is independent of the dose.
Thus a cancer caused by a small amount of radiation can be just as malignant as one caused by a
high dose www.icrp.org
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 4:48:29 PM

QUOTE - "THIS SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS THE PRESENCE OF A DOSE THRESHOLD"
b. At the lower end of the curve, below ~ 100-200 mGy, any potential effect
cannot be measured easily because statistical errors of the observations due to the
large amount of spontaneous cancer and the impact of confounding factors. This should 5
not be interpreted as the presence of a dose threshold. It is assumed that at the low
doses (< 0.2 Gy), probability of the effect (frequency) increases most likely
proportionally with the dose.
c. There is always a spontaneous frequency of the effect (mutations, cancer) in nonirradiated populations (F0
in Fig 2), which cannot be differentiated qualitatively from that
induced by radiation. In fact, mutations or cancers induced by irradiation have the same
morphological, biochemical, and clinical etc. characteristics as the cases occurring in nonirradiated individual www.icrp.org
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 4:57:56 PM

m.spectrum.ieee.org
by Majj 8/23/2011 4:59:37 PM

@Majj OOO that looks interesting going to read ....
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 5:00:22 PM

It seems the dam wasn't in a very good shape prior the EQ.
State restricts Trinidad’s North Lake Dam
Friday, July 8, 2011
By CHRIS WOODKA

Trinidad’s water supply is in jeopardy because of state concerns over the safety of North Lake Dam.
The dam provides the primary water supply for the city, and needs about $1.8 million in repairs, Utility Superintendent James Fernandez told an application screening committee of the Arkansas Basin Roundtable Thursday.
The dam elevation must be lowered by 5 feet this year, under an order from State Engineer Dick Wolfe.
There have been long-standing concerns about the dam, located about 30 miles west of Trinidad. (me think this is a typo, morelike 3 miles)
“We believe you have had adequate time to attempt to fix the problem and that the time has come where we must act to restrict the reservoir level,” Wolfe wrote in a June 13 letter. “We are also concerned about seismic activity in the area of the dam and the elevated risk it creates.”
...
www.chieftain.com
by estacion 8/23/2011 5:10:41 PM

Opposition parties to resume grilling Maehara over donation issue

TOKYO, Aug. 23, Kyodo

Opposition lawmakers said Tuesday they are ready to grill former Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara over his acceptance of political donations from a foreign national following his announcement that he will run in the ruling Democratic Party of Japan's presidential election.

Maehara ''has yet to fulfill accountability'' for the donation issue, said Nobuteru Ishihara, secretary general of the Liberal Democratic Party.

Japan's Political Funds Control Law bans contributions from foreign individuals to prevent domestic politics from being influenced by foreign countries.
english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 8/23/2011 5:42:34 PM

no, it was not a US donation and not french, only korean, and not high either.
by Edano 8/23/2011 5:48:24 PM

www.bbc.co.uk the candidates www.reuters.com
by Edano 8/23/2011 5:50:51 PM

Tuesday August 23 2011, 17:51:03 UTC 3 minutes ago Virginia 5.8 6.0 Detail
Tuesday August 23 2011, 17:51:03 UTC 3 minutes ago Virginia 5.8 6.0 Detail quakes.globalincidentmap.com
by Edano 8/23/2011 5:55:10 PM

close to d.c.
by Edano 8/23/2011 5:56:03 PM

my little sister is in Ashburn VA and texted me while it was happening
by Panserbjorne9 8/23/2011 5:56:37 PM

WOW
by Panserbjorne9 8/23/2011 5:56:39 PM

She said there were people on the conference call from New Jersey who also felt it.
by Panserbjorne9 8/23/2011 5:56:53 PM

not really an earthquake zone (?) i guess they have plenty of nukes around.
by Edano 8/23/2011 6:00:00 PM

Holy cats! Ian Goddard just emailed me they had a quake in Maryland
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:01:49 PM

"Noda and Maehara agree on most policies—fiscal discipline, a gradual fade-out of nuclear power, the need for close collaboration with the opposition, a strong U.S.-Japan alliance—they differ on tax policy." online.wsj.com finally i found a statement on nuke energy.
by Edano 8/23/2011 6:02:40 PM

@lillymunster think it's VA, but felt all the way up the coast. Evacuating capitol, as per my sis in Ashburn
by Panserbjorne9 8/23/2011 6:02:44 PM

Ian said it was pretty intense in MD
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:05:07 PM

Hurricane barreling up the east coast, a big quake in DC. Yet the NRC says a Fuku type disaster couldn't happen in the US.
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:06:23 PM

Reuters reporting they felt it at Times Square in NYC pretty intensely
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:07:07 PM

doesn't peter live at epicentre ?
by Edano 8/23/2011 6:07:12 PM

@Edano...he's over on the other board and felt it....I think he lives about 20 minutes away. He said that it lasted for about 20 seconds. I am about an hour and a half nort, and it lasted about 7 seconds, but was surprisingly strong
by wrshpr 8/23/2011 6:08:19 PM

friend in Manhattan said the building rocked
by Cryptococcus 8/23/2011 6:08:42 PM

6km deep; near Indian Point Nuke plant
by Cryptococcus 8/23/2011 6:09:02 PM

Felt it in Tennessee and N. Carolina according to local media here
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:09:07 PM

@Cryptococcus a different quake?
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:09:28 PM

felt in PA, outer burbs of Philadelphia. Bed shook (I was getting my toddler to sleep), lamps shook, etc. I assume it was the same quake that hit richmond?
by momof3 8/23/2011 6:10:04 PM

I think ours was around 1:53 pm give or take a few mins on either side. I filed a report w/ usgs.
by momof3 8/23/2011 6:11:28 PM

It's all that geological hardplate... a quake there is like ringing a bell, reverberates all the way up the coast. It's all like a bowl of sand out here in comparison. I remember reading that a big quake in Missouri rang bells in Maine, in the 20's?
by Panserbjorne9 8/23/2011 6:12:09 PM

So I am sure it's the same quake, felt everywhere, probably westward as well.
by Panserbjorne9 8/23/2011 6:12:46 PM

Pentagon(Washington) was evacutated. Government is checking into the Earthquake. An estimate of at least a 6mag according to CBS tv news report approximately 3 min ago.
by MaryW 8/23/2011 6:13:28 PM

@lillymunster Virginia quake; btw... they are evacuating the pentagon and capitol building from the quake.
by Cryptococcus 8/23/2011 6:14:38 PM

8 minutes ago news: Downtown Washington DC is full of people who have been evacuated due to the Virginia Earthquake
by MaryW 8/23/2011 6:15:21 PM

USGS updates to a 5.9mag, 10 seconds ago
by MaryW 8/23/2011 6:16:29 PM

Am I correct here... 5.3 quake hit Colorado just a half hour ago and this Virginia 6.0 just hit now? www.nytimes.com
by Cryptococcus 8/23/2011 6:16:53 PM

usgs is down (more or less).
by Edano 8/23/2011 6:17:28 PM

So if it reverberated up the coast would the shake be enough to scram Indian Point? There are lots of other NPPs in that region
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:19:50 PM

Is there anywhere that puts scram or operating data live for the NPP so we don't have to wait days for an event report?
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 6:20:50 PM