Japan Earthquake

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Yeah, yikes. "Unless the radiation level gets lower, the workers cannot exchange the parts"
I thought the comment was good - why didn't they makes the parts remotely changeable?
by es 8/22/2011 11:33:58 PM

sarry toast
by Edano 8/22/2011 11:34:18 PM

The canisters are lead lined. They can deal with the canisters. The piping going up to the canister is where the rads are.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 11:35:02 PM

this is the original mainichi story I posted earlier translate.google.com
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 11:38:08 PM

so now they discover that pesky radiation laden air is circulating in the barns and contaminating the hay translate.google.com has anybody thought of suggesting that the human beings could also be getting high doses like the cattle could from the circulating air or does it only contaminate hay translate.google.com the more I read the more I want to borrow @Lillymunsters pencil
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 11:48:02 PM

@lillymunster , if the filters were progressively loaded with tiny highly-radioactive particles, tepco would be able to change them before it is too late. The radioactivity must rise suddenly, like rocks of corium clogging the piping.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 11:54:20 PM

@elainekirk , I always imagine the poor farmer toiling away in a cloud of dust, :(.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 11:55:17 PM

@Peter Melzer so do I but why isnt it registering with them that they shouldnt be there??
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 11:56:11 PM

@elainekirk , cause farming is their way of life. They should be provided with good masks and filters at the least.
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 12:05:02 AM

‘Scientists don’t know why’: Cesium-137 in soil near Chernobyl has half-life of 180 to 320 years, not 30 years as is typical - enenews.com

I wondered if a given amout of radioactiv particles are 'group-dynamic' to reactivate one another for not to get lost ?-?

just a short hello @ night ;)
by Vivre 8/23/2011 12:06:03 AM

@Peter Melzer Hello and thanks for the useful info earlier re the containment rad monitors. Assuming a two-pipe system for Fuku Unit #1 Drywell with each channel/pipe system having a different range of sensitivity, would you say these correspond to D/W A and D/W B, and that these therefore have different ranges? I can't quite see this in Edano's reactor data plots but might a zero-value reading indicate a lower-range system that is way off-scale, i.e. 'topped by the emmissions' as at TMI? The other possibility you suggested is that there's an uneven gas flow through the monitor causing the fluctuating readings in D/W B (and/or the total obstruction of D/W A samples?). Would you expect this uneven flow to be the result of damage to the monitor's pipes/pumps, or something else?
by es 8/23/2011 12:08:21 AM

@Vivre eeeeeeeeeeek
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 12:08:45 AM

@es a low range system would not show zero, it would show maximum on high radiation. (i suppose.)
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:13:07 AM

What enenews referred to ex-skf.blogspot.com yikes
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 12:15:21 AM

@Edano That's what I'd assume too.
by es 8/23/2011 12:15:23 AM

the 3 Sv found in sarry makes me believe that the #1 rad readings might be really correct.
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:17:50 AM

in the case of the 10 Sv exhaust pipe finding it was argued that the concentration stems from the explosion. in the sarry case now it is not possible. so the first 10 Sv finding could have been generated after the explosion as well.
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:21:17 AM

... indicating uncontrolled corium reactions in #1 drywell.
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:22:57 AM

do we know where they pump water from? Because that high rad water or fuel bits would have had to flow to that area to get run through the treatment machines
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 12:24:58 AM

i don't think it is "rocks of corium". they would be too heavy to move with the water flow and they are too hot, they would burn thru any pipe. it is rather concrete or parts of the reactor interior.
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:25:39 AM

NEWS ADVISORY: Kan says farewell to ministers, expects to see new prime minister Aug. 30 (09:09) [Kyodo] ....... gulp
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:30:51 AM

www.yomiuri.co.jp

@lillymunster maybe this helps !!!
by Edano via Yomiuri.co.jp 8/23/2011 12:34:27 AM

@Edano now I rally want to hear is Saturday speech. He has nothing to lose.
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 12:34:44 AM

@lillymunster i am a bit sad, really...
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:35:14 AM

looking at the graphic, the water is pumped from the turbine buildings, not from the drywell.
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:36:43 AM

@Edano yea, who will replace him? Could he have done more if he stuck around?
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 12:36:46 AM

@Edano so whatever is that radioactive is traveling into the turbine building.
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 12:37:23 AM

@Edano , I was exaggerating. But if it was small-grain particulate matter, the dose would build up in the filters slow enough for them to stop the process in time and change them. One should even be able to establish a dose/time relationship at a given flow rate and extrapolate the point in time for the next filter change from the curve. Obviously, it does not work that smoothly.
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 12:37:32 AM

I think with Kan goes the only hope :( his last act is at least to 'warn' the people that they shouldnt go back home but I suspect they will be bullied back
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 12:38:18 AM

@lillymunster yes.
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:40:01 AM

@Peter Melzer the other system they were using that limped-limped-died the workers had asked tepco to replace the filters and tepco refused because it was past its sell by date and it would have cost them
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 12:40:18 AM

the article to the picture: www.yomiuri.co.jp about sarry.
by Edano 8/23/2011 12:44:52 AM

This is the teppycam (or Fuku-ichi live camera, as I notice TEPCO are calling it) hi-speed footage from around this time yesterday - 2011-08-22 09.00-10.00 - showing the second mega-crane bowing down what seems a remarkably long way, but not falling. It moved back into its upright position some three hours or so later. www.youtube.com
by es 8/23/2011 12:58:23 AM

@es the gras at the camera isnt blowing its vibrating
by elainekirk 8/23/2011 1:03:04 AM

@lillymunster , this smooth-talking fellow who said in the NHK documentary special, part I ( www.nippon-sekai.com ), that important decisions could not be taken in a timely fashion in the evening after the quake/tsunami, because the PM had to meet with leaders of the opposition for three hours. That is the guy who wants the job.
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 1:03:22 AM

Man, the places you get to on random links...
Radioactive Red Fiestaware
Before 1943, the colorant was uranium oxide, with the uranium content being about 0.7% U-235 and the remainder U-238. Between 1943 and 1959 under license by the AEC, the Laughlin company begain producing a red glaze dinnerware. The colorant then used technical grade uranium U-308 with the uranium content being made up of about 0.2% U-235 and the remainder U-238.
In a study done at Perdue University, the radiation from the uranium oxide was measured. They calculated the exposure to the plates, bowls, and cups as if a person was holding a 13" chop plate strapped to their chest for twenty-four hours. This resulted in an exposure of twenty milliroentgens per day. Safe levels for humans working with radiation is twenty milliroentgens per day. In comparison,a dental x-ray produces 910 mR per film. Therefore, Radioactive red fiestaware is safe to use. Also, there is no danger from the fired-on glazes.
by RadioGuy 8/23/2011 1:07:48 AM

Now they made it all safe. Currently they use depleted uranium.
by RadioGuy 8/23/2011 1:08:50 AM

@RadioGuy ::headdesk::
by lillymunster 8/23/2011 1:16:32 AM

METI minister Banri Kaieda is the man in the documentary who wants the top job: economicsnewspaper.com
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 1:31:08 AM

www.japanfocus.org
Chemical Contamination, Cleanup and Longterm Consequences of Japan’s Earthquake and Tsunami
Thirty days after the most powerful earthquake and tsunami in Japan’s recorded history struck the northeastern coast of that country’s main island, the city of Ishinomaki was a scene of devastation. The busy manufacturing and industrial port town in Miyagi Prefecture, close to the epicenter of the quake, had suffered some of the worst damage of any community in the Tohoku region. Pulverized houses, skeletons of factories, and mountains of debris lined the dusty streets. Crumpled cars were tossed across graveyards, broken shipping containers strewn across fields. Ruptured oil tanks leaked glossy black liquid, bags of agrochemicals sat in iridescent puddles, and the doors to a shed labeled “Chemical Storehouse” flapped open, revealing an emptied room. Townspeople and officials walked through this huge field of wreckage, picking at the remains of their homes or simply gazing over the surreal landscape as if immobilized by the scale of damage.
by RadioGuy 8/23/2011 1:48:14 AM

Oh, by Winifred A. Bird and Elizabeth Grossman
by RadioGuy 8/23/2011 1:48:35 AM

@RadioGuy , radiation was surely not a concern for these two!
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 1:51:40 AM

@Peter Melzer I know. It's not even in the list for Fukushima on the PDF included ( ehp03.niehs.nih.gov ), though that's a pretty sobering assessment of the rest of the environmental releases.
by RadioGuy 8/23/2011 1:54:13 AM

Though their point is that the Fuku rads have hogged all the sportlight, while there's an entire region's worth of industrial chemicals ground to pulp and washed all over the land as well.
by RadioGuy 8/23/2011 1:58:02 AM

@RadioGuy , oh I imagine the tsunami left a huge biohazardous mess. Only that mess seems more managable in less time than the reactor mess.
by Peter Melzer 8/23/2011 2:04:53 AM