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@lillymunster I understand how they can aggravate a thyroid condition but do eating those foods bring on the disease. I think not.

What tests did you get that finally caught the problem?
by joniver 8/22/2011 7:24:29 PM

@joniver I have not heard anything about soy bringing on thyroid disease, would need to research more. Aggravating an existing condition yes.

I had an allergist that couldn't get my asthma under control. I found some research that tied out of control asthma and allergies to hormone imbalances. That clued him in enough to start looking that direction. He sent me to an endocrinologist that knew what he was doing. They did about 20 different blood tests as a panel that showed the pattern of thyroid disease on top of the standard 4 test thyroid panel. I had hardly any thyroid function left by then.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:30:14 PM

The thyroid disease aspect becomes a big problem in that it is frequently ignored and the symptoms can be vague or a laundry list of minor complaints that the patient or the doctor don't put together. I worry that in Japan things could go the other direction and any time people start to feel wiped out they will panic and think it is thyroid related.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:32:37 PM

@lillymunster Wow 20 different blood tests to determine the problem! You must have been wreck by then.
by joniver 8/22/2011 7:32:59 PM

New Data Supports Previous Fairewinds Analysis, as Contamination Spreads in Japan and Worldwide Newly released neutron data from three University of California San Diego scientists confirms Fairewinds' April analysis that the nuclear core at Fukushima Daiichi turned on and off after TEPCO claimed its reactors had been shutdown. This periodic nuclear chain reaction (inadvertent criticality) continued to contaminate the surrounding environment and upper atmosphere with large doses of radioactivity. www.fairewinds.com
by Majj 8/22/2011 7:36:32 PM

@lillymunster What type of junk science are you referring to? I ask because my girlfriend's cousin (and best friend) has been suffering from serious thyroid disorders for years and she's finally decided to see the doctor and go to the local hospital to take exams. Any good information is welcome.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 7:38:15 PM

@lillymunster Apparently the symptoms are wide ranging from mental, emotional and physical.
A friend of mine worked at mental hospital and said the first thing they check are thyroid levels.

And the people of Japan will worry with good reason unfortunately.
by joniver 8/22/2011 7:38:46 PM

@Pedro Jesus there was a TV doctor in the US that claimed most of the population had thyroid disorders because they were tired or overweight. He claimed they could be cured by changing your diet. I will see if I can find some info, I probably have a few things bookmarked somewhere.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:43:48 PM

@lillymunster Thanks.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 7:44:33 PM

@joniver They figured that out decades ago that severe thyroid can mimic psych disorders. Life threatening hypothyroidism can cause psychosis. en.wikipedia.org
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:47:05 PM

sorry peeples I meant to link to the colorado study archinte.ama-assn.org
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 7:47:13 PM

That's an excellent Arnie on the San Diego radioactive sulfur report. The sulfur is created in the reaction between salt-water and neutrons. So as of the time they started cooling with seawater, there were still criticalities capable of putting out 400,000,000,000 neutrons / sq meter.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 7:48:21 PM

@lillymunster I didn't realize that.
by joniver 8/22/2011 7:48:37 PM

@Pedro Jesus did they think she had hypothyroid problems (tired, sick type symptoms) or hyperthyroid (hyper, losing weight etc)?
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:51:29 PM

@ Hi all. Arnie Gundersen say it may be a China Symdrom in Fuku, but not evidence to prove it. What do you think?
Paul Gunter say yes at Hartmann RT: http://youtu.be/baya8-agPs4
+ Higgings blog say yes: “There is no reason to doubt a China Syndrome, it’s a rational conclusion to a full meltdown. The fission of the melted fuel is too hot for anything to contain. Water has been escaping somewhere from the reactors, through cracks made from the earthquake and also from courses opened by molten fuel.
We know that the melted nuclear materials have broken past their reactor containment and have dropped into the basement of the reactor buildings. At some point it would make sense for that process to continue melting through the basement floor into the earth.
The dimension of the tragedy is growing for there is no way for them to get to the problem if it’s down to the water table already.”
blog.alexanderhiggins.com
by Mona 8/22/2011 7:54:32 PM

@RadioGuy Yes, I understudd that was ENORMOUS amounts sulfur, and neutrons > and kriticalities was going on (is?).
by Mona 8/22/2011 7:54:35 PM

@lillymunster Her case is not that simple. It could be a combination of different problems but the thyroid possibility is highly likely since it runs in the family. I have no idea if it is hereditary or not but most of her family has had thyroid disorders. I mean maybe 3 out of 4. But from that simplistic description I'd guess hypothyroid. Fits better.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 7:55:45 PM

He just said there's not tenoug evidence to be sure, then goes on to say "but the sensationalism of that is distracting from things we DO know which might actually be much worse."
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 7:56:11 PM

@Pedro Jesus this link has some good info and covers a wide variety of thyroid issues. thyroid.about.com Mayo Clinic also has a patient education database online that has some decent information. Thyroid disorders can end up tangled up in other issues either by making them worse or complicating the ability to diagnose that other problem.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:58:41 PM

@lillymunster Thank you. I really appreciate the help. I'll do some research.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 8:00:43 PM

In fact, he then pulls the NRC analysis in where they seem to be saying "no, that particulate plutonium they found kilometers away wasn't from the SFP, but the reactor core... in other words, the NRC seemed to be implying complete melt-throughs, and he disagreed with their assessment as well.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 8:00:45 PM

@Mona No, not in the sense the guy who wrote the article is talking about. We pointed out evidence that the corium may be relocating in the drywell and that there are likely cracks in the building and containment or other holes like pipe penetrations etc and that fuel could possibly move out. What they are claiming is that it burned down through. I didn't see Arnie Gundersen referenced on this, where did you find Gundersen commenting on it?
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 8:01:02 PM

fairewinds link below
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 8:01:30 PM

www.fairewinds.com
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 8:01:47 PM

@Pedro Jesus No prob. It can be very complicated to recognize I worry people in Japan are going to both become over paranoid of thyroid disorders. IE: worrying every medical problem could be thyroid related or the opposite, not diagnosed because signs can be vague.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 8:02:43 PM

@Pedro Jesus is there a possibility of diabetes or caeliacs disease or any history? these three often group together many children diagnosed as type 1 insulin dependent due to their immune system knocking out their bodies insulin production also go on to develop cealiacs/thyroid as they mature
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:02:44 PM

@elainekirk Not sure. She's still waiting for the results of the second batch of tests she underwent.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 8:04:28 PM

@lillymunster yes and due to the emphasis on thyroid how many families are going to fail to respond to bruising in a timely manner because the issue of leukaemia has been overshadowed - it is time the people were given adequate information to enable them to make decisions for their families
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:04:37 PM

@Pedro Jesus it is a minefield as my daughter enters her teens I find myself analysing what are perfectly normal mood swings just in case they turn into a cause for concern
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:06:40 PM

@elainekirk they are also finding out that certain auto-immune arthritis disease sufferers will show up with celiac or thyroiditis. There is also a subset where people with arthritis or thyroidits don't have actual celiac but notice improvement when they cut most wheat from their diet. There hasn't been enough study to make a conclusion but some doctors suggest patients try it to see if they get some improvement.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 8:07:35 PM

@lillymunster as with arthritis they are all auto immune disorders as too is autism
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:08:56 PM

@elainekirk I can think of dozens of causes for mood swings at that age range. Don't worry too much. Worrying too much makes things worse. I know this sounds a bit like that "smile and radiation won't get you" theory but it's the truth and I've seen loads of evidence (even from recent neuroscience research). Positiveness and optimism can make your life a lot easier and healthier.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 8:11:16 PM

@Pedro Jesus thats my attitude we take it as it comes and I never ever let her see me worry..... if it happens it happens but for the moment we are happy that it hasnt ...
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:20:23 PM

@elainekirk ;)
See you all later.
by Pedro Jesus 8/22/2011 8:25:45 PM

@Pedro Jesus have fun
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:27:01 PM

let me weigh in a little, since i work in a lab. The society of clinical chemists is pushing to have the tsh norm dropped to top out at 3, instead of 5, because there is so much data proving that from 3-5 can be coorelated to decreased thyroid function. Also, the one test that we push clinicians to order is the anti-tpo, because so very often, antibodies are the very first sign of thyroid problems... years before the TSH starts to shift out of whack.
by Panserbjorne9 8/22/2011 8:31:45 PM

sad example of how the Japanese are feeling in this tweet from @buhi_2
もはや避けて通れない内部被曝。自分の身は自分で守る時代…【隠された被曝】矢ヶ崎克馬【 Amazon】 t.co　内部被爆の人体に与える影響やICRPのインチキも暴いている必読書。 #iwakamiyasumi　 #genpatsu
Internal exposure no longer unavoidable. Defend oneself in his era ... that Avaya is also bogus bible of the ICRP human exposure and the impact within months [Amazon] Qi Kema t.co hidden arrow [] exposure. # iwakamiyasumi # genpatsu
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:32:05 PM

but because the typical symptoms of thyroid disfunction are so easily written off as other, mundane things (tired, sore, achy, irritable, dry skin, headache, difficulty gaining/losing weight) most clinicians will just discount it- even if there is family history- which is absurd. My anti-tpo was 2,300 (normal is <30) when i finally found a doctor willing to listen... and sure enough, three years later, the nodules started like popcorn and the TSH started climbing. The endocrine and neuroendocrine connection to whole body health is profound and unfortunately so misunderstood. ok, off the soapbox now.
by Panserbjorne9 8/22/2011 8:34:40 PM

@Panserbjorne9 thank you very much there should be far more awareness of auto immune many children arent picked up with t1 until they are in dka and caeliacs and thyroid are just as neglected imho as a layperson
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:39:24 PM

@elainekirk yes, and it makes you wonder why there has been a gradual increase in our own body attacking itself... in addition to allergies, etc. The testing is getting better and more advanced, but the older generation of clinicians still don't always think to go there.
by Panserbjorne9 8/22/2011 8:43:01 PM

@Panserbjorne9 they certainly don't it is quite worrying
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 8:48:32 PM

Suicides stalk Japan disaster zone www.france24.com
by Panserbjorne9 8/22/2011 8:52:32 PM

Local elections struggle in disaster-hit areas / Authorities trying to find residents; some candidates limit campaign activities in consideration of victims www.yomiuri.co.jp
by Panserbjorne9 8/22/2011 8:55:07 PM