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One more quote from the CT study: "The most recent study on the risks of exposure to low levels of radiation is further proof that concerns over CT scanning doses can be taken seriously."
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 5:12:26 PM

From the When the Wheels Start to Come Off department:
www.huffingtonpost.com
Department Of Justice Investigates BP For Faulty Oil Spill Estimates
Documents and interviews also indicate that BP, using reservoir data, computer modeling and imagery of the leaking pipe, may have had the ability to calculate a far more accurate estimate of the well's flow rate early on in the spill than it provided to the government. The company either never fully ran those calculations or their results were not disclosed to federal responders.

Sound familiar? BP's response has been TEPCO's template all along, right down to self-insuring immediately after that response worked so well for BP.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 5:25:18 PM

What we don't know, we can't tell you. Don't test and you have "plausible" deniability.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 5:26:04 PM

@Peter, trying to understand the Gy to Sv ratio on a CT scan. The chart I have mentions that beta and gamma convert to Sv at a 1:1 conversion but alpha converts from Gy to Sv at a different ratio. Any idea how I could convert that CT scan dose expressed in Gy to a Sv dose people can understand easier?
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 5:28:46 PM

Obviously the "Who could have known/guessed/imagined/predicted/expected?" excuse is the default fallback now when you run out of spin moves.

@lillymunster I was confused by that Gy-Sv bit too, and decided to leave it to someone who knew.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 5:33:09 PM

@lillymunster , x-rays, as much as gamma-rays, convert with factor one: www.ndt-ed.org
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 5:40:10 PM

@Peter Melzer So if it did a 1:1 conversion of the dose from a CT to a general Sv dose amount it would be a generally correct conversion?
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 5:52:33 PM

@lillymunster , yes, Sv equals Gy for x-rays.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 5:58:57 PM

@Peter Melzer what is kappaB
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 6:02:04 PM

@elainekirk you really wanna know ? en.wikipedia.org
by Edano 8/22/2011 6:06:13 PM

If you mean NF-kappaB, it is a protein that regulates the reading of DNA: en.wikipedia.org
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 6:09:34 PM

hehe, edano got the same link.
by Peter Melzer 8/22/2011 6:10:49 PM

@Edano @Peter Melzer ty :O
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 6:17:51 PM

I havent started reading yet but think I am not knowledgable enough to assess .....I am gonna look anyway ...

sciencelinks.jp
Abstract;Under the framework of the International Consortium for Medical Care of Hibakusha and Radiation Life Science (Nagasaki University 21st Century COE Program) and bearing in mind the unique history and responsibility of Nagasaki University, several projects on radiation emergency preparedness are in progress. The critical accident in Tokaimura, Japan in 1999 made us realize that nuclear emergencies happen any-where radionuclides exist. In fact, nuclear accidents possibly take place in factories, research facilities, hospital and wherever radioactive materialism are in transit. Therefore, it is necessary to establish an effective preparedness network system for potential radiation emergency that may occur in Nagasaki and nearby prefectures and to cooperate with other Japanese and worldwide networks. (author abst.)
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 6:27:42 PM

Japan may rent off-limits land near Fukushima N-plant
The Japanese government is considering renting land plots near the stricken Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant as it plans to keep the areas off-limits for a long period of time, informed sources said Monday.

"We need to take various measures if residents cannot return home for long," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said in a press conference the same day.
More: www.mcot.net

Unlivable for decades yet planning to rent this contaminated land?
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:28:08 PM

@joniver for dumping if you scroll to my worker tweets you will see they are deforesting to create dump holes the issue of groundwater doesnt seem to have been considered
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 6:29:49 PM

@elainekirk So this rented land will be used for dumping nuke waste?
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:31:58 PM

Searching for radiation-resistant rice
Foreign-originated brands of rice are grown in an experimental rice field at the Fukushima Agricultural Technology Center in Koriyama, Fukushima Prefecture, on Aug. 18, 2011. The research agency has been examining around 110 varieties of rice from inside and outside Japan in the search for strains that absorb less radioactive cesium from soil, following the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
english.kyodonews.jp
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:32:56 PM

Or for planting radiation resistant rice?
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:33:31 PM

@joniver there were mentions of growing biofuels in the area since they can't grow food. I don't know if radiation would tag along with the part of the plant used for fuel and become a problem during processing or use in a vehicle?
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 6:34:58 PM

@joniver it sounds like it already is methinks they will be competing with tepco I wonder if the people know their forests are being razed and the land (plus by default all land seaward of it) turned i
nto a nuclear wasteland
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 6:36:04 PM

Yamashitaism #54635786876536788990...recurring
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Our results suggest that management of thyroid screening for schoolchildren at ordinary times may be beneficial for monitoring the adverse effects of radioactive iodine from the standpoint of future prospective study.
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sciencelinks.jp
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 6:37:17 PM

Anybody seen any general thyroid screening beyond the 14 children per area they screened to base their guestimates of the other xxx0000's
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 6:39:20 PM

@lillymunster Planting bio-fuels sounds like a good idea but yes there is the question whether fallout tags along.
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:40:47 PM

@lillymunster I was wondering if you have any documentation on US state by state breakdown of thyroid disease?
Oh and by the way you did a great job with Simply Info. Thanks for all work you've done.
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:47:23 PM

@joniver nothing in deep detail but there is a map of thyroid doses from the Nevada bomb tests by area on this wiki page. It is on the right down towards the bottom en.wikipedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
by lillymunster via Upload.wikimedia.org 8/22/2011 6:51:26 PM

This study has a ranking list of state by state thyroid cancer levels www.radiation.org
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 6:53:53 PM

Thyroid cancer rates are rising although it’s often found incidentally
In the mid-1900s, children with severe acne were treated with low doses of radiation to the face and neck. It was quite successful in killing bacteria, however, the children showed a much higher incidence of thyroid cancer 25 to 30 years after the treatments. By comparison, those in close proximity to the Chernobyl power plant in Ukraine began to develop the disease two to two-and-half years after the nuclear reactor accident.

A LARGE INCREASE

Overall, there has been a 250 percent increase in the incidence of thyroid cancer in the 30 years ending in 2006. This statistic sounds alarming, but again, the great majority of these cancers are papillary; at least half of them are the small, or micro-papillary, cancers noted above.
More: www.silive.com
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:54:06 PM

@lillymunster Thanks for that, I know too many people with thyroid problems of one kind or another.
by joniver 8/22/2011 6:55:29 PM

@lillymunster Why so much concentration in Idaho and Montana?
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 6:56:17 PM

@RadioGuy Idaho and Montana were frequently downwind of Hanford. Idaho has a couple of nuclear facilities but I am not very familiar with the extent of the work or exposures from that. They may have also been in that ring of fallout from the Nevada bomb tests. I have not seen a solid conclusive single source cited as a cause.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 6:58:11 PM

Oh, got it. Mountains meet wet Pacific weather, mix and rain out on Idaho and Montana.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 6:58:32 PM

A lot could have been from open air testing in Nevada at a time when that was the prevailing wind, I guess.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 6:59:19 PM

@RadioGuy west to east weather. I did see a mention in the Hanford research that Utah and Montana got Hanford fallout but it didn't seem to make it to Wyoming and SD in detectable amounts that could be connected.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 6:59:55 PM

@RadioGuy If you look at the exposures map it makes a big ring out from Nevada in a NE direction. I have not found any data on this but there is a noticeable ring on the exposure map.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:01:21 PM

@lillymunster Yes, but we often see that upcoast weather swirl up the Pacific that draws LA to Nevada patterns long with it Bernoulli style.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 7:01:42 PM

ANyway, that5's quite the map.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 7:02:22 PM

I-131, so the falloff is both dilution and half-life decay.
by RadioGuy 8/22/2011 7:03:24 PM

There seems to be statistics on thyroid cancer but nothing I've seen that documents either hyper-hypo thyroid or nodules.
by joniver 8/22/2011 7:04:37 PM

@joniver other thyroid disorders known to be caused by radiation exposure like hyper/hypo thyroidism, Graves disease, Hashimoto's disease, nodules, non cancerous tumors etc. are never included and are a significant portion of the health outcomes. It is more concerning because having thyroid disorders at a young age can hurt development and cognitive function.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:10:18 PM

@RadioGuy @lillymunster @joniver www.soyonlineservice.co.nz hth
by elainekirk 8/22/2011 7:11:12 PM

Compact Camera Helps Photojournalist Get First Post-Disaster Photos Inside Fukushima Power Plant
Kazuma Obara managed to sneak himself and two cameras past security and get a unique view of a previously unphotographed scene.

www.popphoto.com
by joniver 8/22/2011 7:12:16 PM

@elainekirk Soybeans? Oh please...
by joniver 8/22/2011 7:17:39 PM

Non cancerous thyroid disease has become a really controversial area of medicine. There is one set of clinical practice that is very limiting in diagnosis and treatment but another set of researchers and doctors who treat and diagnose differently and view bloodwork and treatment differently. Then there is some junk science out on the fringe. It makes it hard for people trying to get proper treatment to navigate and find what works for them. There is one school of thought that many go undiagnosed because they suffer but their bloodwork doesn't fit the more conservative diagnostic standards. I ended up with huge non-cancerous tumors and so sick I couldn't walk across a room before they figured out I had a thyroid problem. It kept being missed.

by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:17:47 PM

@joniver to a certain extent soy does play a role. I am not familiar with the info on that website. But people with hypothyroidism or hashimotos are sometimes told to modify their iodine intake and avoid things like soy, seaweed, walnuts and raw spinach because in large doses it can impact your thyroid blood levels.
by lillymunster 8/22/2011 7:19:42 PM