
@Edano suspense
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:47:20 AM

greepeace has entered the no go zone by foot and by sea. and they did collect samples, but they won't publish them now because of legal issues. they will be published when time comes.
by Edano 9/16/2011 10:47:26 AM

@Edano do they contradict tepco's happy larry ones
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:48:00 AM

@elainekirk he didn't want to tell me. it stays a secret for some time.
by Edano 9/16/2011 10:48:40 AM

but tomorrow he goes to sweden, there is an action to be done. i think it is about nuke waste in forsmark, but he did not want to talk about it.
by Edano 9/16/2011 10:50:06 AM

@Edano argh still it is enough to know that there are figures from a respected reliable source out there to measure tepco's against
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:50:22 AM

@Edano I am glad they are doing something I was really concerned when they started out so well and then fell silent after doing the ocean samples
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:51:48 AM

let's see what will happen in sweden.
by Edano 9/16/2011 10:52:11 AM

@Edano yes that should be interesting
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:52:43 AM

@elainekirk : he said they are still very active in fukushima and in chernobyl, too. they constantly take samples and guard them in safes.
by Edano 9/16/2011 10:53:26 AM

i will meet him again in 2 weeks, if he does not get arrested in sweden. :)
by Edano 9/16/2011 10:55:45 AM

@Edano it is good to know I suppose if they were louder about it they would be hindered by governments :( such a shame because they could help raise awareness
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:56:07 AM

@Edano what do you make of the #1 and #2 docs ?
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:56:58 AM

@elainekirk which ones ?
by Edano 9/16/2011 10:57:16 AM

www.tepco.co.jpand
www.tepco.co.jpand related
www.tepco.co.jpthose are the sort of docs that are only released after their legal bods have checked what liabilities will be incurred by confirming I would have thought
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 10:58:06 AM

@Edano WOOT! glad someone is doing something. :-)
by lillymunster 9/16/2011 10:58:35 AM

@elainekirk was there a mention in TEPCO docs about boron injection into wells that Reeba mentioned?
by lillymunster 9/16/2011 11:01:18 AM

@lillymunster @Edano it certainly seems a newsy day today , are you seeing any more patients @Edano? ;)
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:01:45 AM

@elainekirk today i'm done with working. :)
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:02:39 AM

@lillymunster I will go look again I think it may be in a doc released a day or so agothat I saw wells mentioned in
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:02:43 AM

@Edano long weekend :)
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:02:58 AM

@Reeba The existence of high... do you have a link to this ? I am not sure where I saw it it will save me a search if you have it
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:04:13 AM

@elainekirk it seems tepco tried to detect the control rod positions in #1, but they failed.
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:05:50 AM

If they are injecting boron into the ground that is a very big deal and admission corium is out of the buildings.
by lillymunster 9/16/2011 11:06:07 AM

@lillymunster @Edano I will watch what docs come out I have an idea on the boron I will go see if google can pick it up
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:07:19 AM

the doc suggests that there is a mess at #1 rpv bottom (short circuits and disconnections).
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:08:03 AM

@Edano it certainly looked like a doc that had had legal input
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:08:50 AM

@elainekirk @lillymunster boron into the ground ? where ? outside the reactors ?
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:09:06 AM

i find it hard to believe that they have intact cables around the rpv. no cable can withstand 1200 centigrades.
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:12:28 AM

@Edano wouldn't most of the control rod mechanisms be toast since the reactors melted through the bottom of the RPV where they are located? Maybe it was really an attempt to see what was left of the bottom of the RPV?
by lillymunster 9/16/2011 11:14:20 AM

@lillymunster yes, i think it was an attempt, and it failed.
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:15:23 AM

towards #2 core spray system, it is correct that the pressure increased temporarily, but it does not seem to work like in #3, because temperatures in #2 do not fall.
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:17:30 AM

no changes of water level in #2
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:18:25 AM

temperatures in #3 rising, all above (or around) 100°.
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:19:55 AM

radiation in #3 torus is rising, strangely.
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:22:24 AM

@Edano odd. recriticality?
by lillymunster 9/16/2011 11:23:51 AM

just found a pu test result whilst lookin for the boron so dropping it here
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:24:04 AM

what abou the boron story ? where to find it ?
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:24:45 AM

@Edano yes. Reeba's mention they are injecting boron into wells around the plant. We need a link to a story or tepco doc about it
by lillymunster 9/16/2011 11:25:33 AM

another doc on worker exposure I think this is the one that needs keeping
www.tepco.co.jpI will find the boron ...by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:26:39 AM

correction: radiation rises in #3 torus, not drywell. even stranger.
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:27:02 AM


www3.nhk.or.jp
Cesium found in industrial waste
Industrial waste at 6 incineration facilities has been found to contain radioactive cesium at levels that exceed the government-set limit for disposal.
Following the nuclear accident in Fukushima, the ashes of garbage from private homes were found to contain levels of radioactive cesium, well above the limit of 8,000 becquerels per kilogram. The contaminated garbage was treated at waste disposal plants in the Kanto and Tohoku regions.
The Environment Ministry had asked 16 prefectures in the Tohoku, Kanto and Koshin-etsu regions to examine ashes from woodchips and other industrial waste.
Out of the 110 incineration facilities tested, levels of radioactive cesium exceeded 8,000 becquerels per kilogram at 4 sites in Fukushima Prefecture and one each in Iwate and Chiba prefectures. The highest measurement was 144,420 becquerels per kilogram at one facility in Fukushima.
These facilities were found to be temporarily keeping the ashes without disposing of them in landfill sites.
Since the 6 facilities had been storing the waste material outdoors before incineration, the Environment Ministry plans to examine other facilities that follow similar methods.
Friday, September 16, 2011 06:50 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp

if they find high levels in the ashes, you can freely assume that they even released much more into the air. why don't they stop the incinerators ? do they have cesium filters ?
by Edano 9/16/2011 11:33:17 AM

TEPCO injecting more water into 2 reactorsThe operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is injecting more water into 2 of the plant's reactors in an attempt to lower their temperatures below 100 degrees Celsius.
As of 5 AM Friday, the bottom of No.2 reactor measured 114.1 degrees Celsius and that of the No.3 reactor 103.3 degrees. The temperature at the No.1 reactor was 85.3 degrees.
Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, has been injecting water continuously into the 3 reactors since the March accident. The utility is aiming at a cold shutdown of all reactors by January next year, with stable temperatures below 100 degrees.
Earlier this month, TEPCO began boosting injections of cooling water into the No.2 and No.3 reactors by using overhead pipes in addition to the pipes on the reactors' sides, to see if this would help lower temperatures.
As the new method showed some benefits, TEPCO began on Friday afternoon to increase the water flow by one ton to a total of 7 tons per hour for the No.2 reactor, and by 5 tons to 12 tons per hour for the No.3 reactor.
The company says it will continue monitoring temperatures and make adjustments as necessary. It also indicated it may inject more water into the relatively stable No.1 reactor.
Friday, September 16, 2011 18:07 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp by Edano 9/16/2011 11:34:35 AM

I can only conclude that the boron/wells story comes from this artice
pissinontheroses.blogspot.com I havent been able to find any other mention of it
by elainekirk 9/16/2011 11:39:03 AM