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now steam at #3 again (last four weeks no steam - ?)
by Puc 9/20/2011 2:05:16 PM

@dean Thanks dean.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 2:05:37 PM

dang.. @ lilly.. look at that link starting with section 4.7 BWR MARK 1 liner failure by melt attack... especially table 4.7-1 and the figures like 4.7-1 to 4.7-6.... THIS IS WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR.. yeahhhhhhhhhhhh.... check it out.. will be back in a bit
by dean 9/20/2011 2:06:26 PM

pbadupws.nrc.gov @ lilly.. I will wait to leave.. go check it out if you have a min
by dean 9/20/2011 2:06:51 PM

<< too excited.. lol
by dean 9/20/2011 2:06:58 PM

@dean looking
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 2:07:19 PM

@Puc look where that steam is. It is almost beside 3, like it is closer to the camera that the reactor building but off to the left like it is between 2 & 3. I grabbed a screen shot
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 2:08:07 PM

@dean SCORE! LOL that is pretty much everything we were looking for. :-) I will save a copy and go through it today and make notes.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 2:11:08 PM

sounds good.. don't ya just love it when things come together... .doing cart wheels out the door... be back later
by dean 9/20/2011 2:11:49 PM

@dean :-)
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 2:12:48 PM

I added Dean's corium melt document find and all of the METI reports to the IAEA in our library page on the group website houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 2:34:46 PM

The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has a bunch of new articles on fukushima this month, all free on their site including one about Fukushima being covered by new media (internet) vs. traditional media bos.sagepub.com
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 2:37:31 PM

Busby actually outlines his supplements plan in the video I posted yesterday. I walked out of the room as that part played. He says he'll sell them at cost. But what's most questionable is the supplements will include "large amounts of calcium and magnesium" for children. www.youtube.com He claims they prevent strontium and uranium from binding to DNA. Now, I've read that his DNA-binding claim is dubious, but I've not studied this issue. He says in a video I've seen that it's known in science and used to target cancer-cell DNA in chemotherapy. But for radio-protection, this use of calcium and magnesium is at best an investigational application that looks like a PR disaster at least. And I'm not sure, unlike older adults especially women, that kids even need supplemental calcium, and large amounts might promote kidney stones and thus the loss of kidneys in childhood, not good!
by Ian 9/20/2011 3:11:11 PM

@Ian @Ian That really seems odd. We should ask Edano about Busby's claims. Does he have any sort of research paper that outlines the biological processes for his claims? When we were researching radioprotective foods what showed up frequently in both the medical related to cancer and radiation treatment and also for radiation protection like in an accident was potassium. houseoffoust.com
The fact that he doesn't disclose everything in these supplements is really concerning both that it is a frequently dodgy tactic to sell someone snake oil and because people don't know what they are taking. If all people need is calcium and magnesium those are readily available and dirt cheap as individual supplements. Taking large doses of magnesium can give people diarrhea. This could be bad in small kids and even worse if a parent mistakes the diarrhea as a sign of radiation exposure and doesn't stop the supplements.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 3:29:07 PM

Ann Intern Med (1997) : High intake of dietary calcium appears to decrease risk for symptomatic kidney stones, whereas intake of supplemental calcium may increase risk.
by Ian 9/20/2011 3:29:36 PM

There is some literature on radioprotective properties in Magnesium Pemoline.
Manesium Pemoline is not a supplemental magnesium type it is an actual drug that was used as an ADHD med before being pulled off the market in the US. I didn't see anything on a basic search for radioprotective and magnesium other than these pemoline results. Magnesium pemoline seems to impact brain chemistry and would not likely be allowed over the counter as it is not a supplement www.healthcommunities.com
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 3:36:49 PM

Update from Arnie: vimeo.com
by Ian 9/20/2011 3:48:02 PM

@lillymunster, off the bat its looks like there's hardly any supporting evidence for radioprotection.
by Ian 9/20/2011 3:50:03 PM

I've studied and consumed evidence-based supplements for years and know that you can have like 20 positive independent studies on cell cultures, animals and human epidemiology and still be in the unproven category. In fact, the chemical from grapes resveratrol has hundreds of positive studies and yet would still be considered uproven lacking double-blind placebo controlled yada yada gold-standard studies. And so health claims about it would still be restricted in the US by the FDA irrespective of the massive volume of positive lesser studies. Aside from whether or not those standards are too stringent, Busby's health-claimed back supplement-selling program is a sitting duck for accusations of snake-oil hucksterism. It's terribly ill-advised.
by Ian 9/20/2011 4:00:00 PM

@Ian That is always the problem with supplements and it becomes a circular argument, the lack of an FDA style study. Busby should at least have some logic and explanation for his claim. I have not looked to see if he has or not. Selling this stuff and having nothing to back it up at all would be moronic.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 4:05:38 PM

Gundersen's video is rather good. It explains the whole mess succinctly. Would be a good one if you need to send to someone to explain this mess in a nutshell.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 4:07:39 PM

@lillymunster, I agree except for his claim that the explosion of Unit 3 travled over 1,000 feet per second. Nobody who has tried to replicate his finding of that can. I provide the necessary basic metrics to test the claim right here : www.youtube.com
by Ian 9/20/2011 4:16:10 PM

@Ian I'm not 100% sold on that one either. The rest of it is straightforward about why Fukushima is a big worldwide problem or at the very least a US problem.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 4:17:27 PM

And there's no visible shockwave on Unit 3, take for example the Unit-1 blast where there is a shockwave that travels very fast : www.youtube.com The clearly visible Unit-1 shockwave travels to the upper left corner, and yet it does so at subersonic speed, which presumably Arnie agrees with since he says it's a deflagration. And yet it travels far faster than anything visible wrt the slow Unit-3 explosion.
by Ian 9/20/2011 4:24:59 PM

The Unit-1 shockwave travels at subsonic speed.
by Ian 9/20/2011 4:26:16 PM

A new plan set to reduce radiation emissions

The Japanese government and the operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant say they will install new devices to reduce the amount of radioactive substances released into the air.

The government and Tokyo Electric Power Company, TEPCO, originally planned to achieve a cold shutdown, in which temperatures of the reactors reach below 100 degrees Celsius by January next year.

They now say that they will aim to reach that status within this year, as their work is making steady progress.

The government and TEPCO revealed the plan in their monthly review of the timetable for containing the nuclear crisis.

They will install new devices at the NO.1, No.2 and No.3 reactors to take contaminated gases out of the reactors using filters. They plan to start installing the devices next week.

TEPCO also plans to complete the construction of a giant polyester shield over the No.1 reactor by mid-October.

The operator also plans to improve its cooling systems so that the temperatures of all 3 reactors will drop below 100 degrees Celsius.

They say the amount of radioactive substances released from the plant was about 200-million becquerels per hour in the first half of September. They say that's about one-four millionths of the level of the initial stages of the accident in March.

Tuesday, September 20, 2011 20:02 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 9/20/2011 4:35:24 PM

english.kyodonews.jp

Nuclear fuel unloaded in Fukui Pref.
Plutonium-uranium mixed oxide, or MOX, fuel is unloaded from a ship in the town of Takahama, Fukui Prefecture, in June 2010, to be transported to the Takahama nuclear power plant operated by Kansai Electric Power Co. Japan held 30.1 tons of fissile plutonium at home and abroad as of the end of 2010, down 0.9 ton from a year earlier for the second consecutive yearly decline, the government said Sept. 20, 2011. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 9/20/2011 4:37:15 PM

AluminumStudios!
by Ian 9/20/2011 4:38:41 PM

Fukushima 'Cold Shutdown' Could Come This Year. Japan expects to bring the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant under control sooner than previously foreseen, government officials said Tuesday, although new problems over the radioactive water in the unit basements will complicate longer-term clean-up efforts.
Emissions of radioactive materials from the plant have been reduced to a maximum of 1/4,000,000th of the peak, as the cooling of the reactors reduces the amount of tainted steam escaping, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said in its monthly review of its nine-month plant-stabilization plan.
"By reducing emissions of radioactive materials, we hope to make it possible for evacuees to return to their homes as early as possible," said Yasuhiro Sonoda, a member of parliament responsible for managing the Fukushima crisis. online.wsj.com
by Majj 9/20/2011 4:41:07 PM

@all Hello!
by smoss 9/20/2011 4:41:17 PM

@all Japan's Possession of Plutonium Decreased to 30.1 Tons Last Year
www.panorientnews.com This just leaves me wondering...
by smoss 9/20/2011 4:43:59 PM

@smoss Hi!
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 4:50:52 PM

@Edano, Ian has a post earlier about Busby's supplements. Busby is claiming calcium and magnesium will prevent stronium etc. from binding to DNA. Any idea if his claims have any medical basis?
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 4:51:56 PM

@lillymunster i have no idea, but i am sure it is nonsense. :)
by Edano 9/20/2011 4:56:05 PM

back
by dean 9/20/2011 5:00:32 PM

@Edano, hiiiii over there
by dean 9/20/2011 5:00:49 PM

@dean hiiii
by Edano 9/20/2011 5:01:03 PM

Nuclear Event in United Kingdom on Monday, 19 September, 2011 at 18:12 (06:12 PM) UTC.
Base data
EDIS Number: NC-20110919-32379-GBR
Event type: Nuclear Event
Date/Time: Monday, 19 September, 2011 at 18:12 (06:12 PM) UTC
Last update: ---
Cause of event:
Damage level: Unknown Damage level
Geographic information
Continent: Europe
Country: United Kingdom
County / State: England
Area: Sizewell (A) Nuclear Power Stations
City: Sizewell
Coordinate: N 52° 12.923, E 1° 37.126
Number of affected people / Humanities loss
Foreign people: Affected is unknown.
Dead person(s): ---
Injured person(s): ---
Missing person(s): ---
Evacuated person(s): ---
Affected person(s): ---
hisz.rsoe.hu
by Edano 9/20/2011 5:01:56 PM

Radioactive water leak detected at UK's Sizewell A nuclear plant
by smoss 9/20/2011 5:20:37 PM

Radioactive water leak detected at UK's Sizewell A nuclear plant Magnox's investigations show that the pond level reduced by 1.4 cm, in a total depth of 6.75 m, which equates to a loss of 7 cubic meters of treated water. In total, about 13.3 cu m of treated water was captured by the secondary containment, over a period of four and a half hours, he said.

www.platts.com
by smoss 9/20/2011 5:21:22 PM

strontium replaces calcium in organisms. the dna does not contain any calcium, so i don't know what busby means. dna needs phosphates and they come as calciumphosphates, so there could be a way how strontium may approach dna, but it surely is not binding to dna.
by Edano 9/20/2011 5:25:12 PM

@ Edano I wondered about that too
by dean 9/20/2011 5:34:39 PM

i am very sceptical if someone comes and claims that simple (and cheap !) substances can block radiation. especially if his name is busby. the pharma industry spends uncountable money amounts in medicine, and busby comes with vitamin pills and simple answers.
by Edano 9/20/2011 5:34:49 PM