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I don't think he is talking DNA
by dean 9/20/2011 5:42:24 PM

normally science goes like this: if you discover something you have to publish it in a scientific way so that it can be reproduced and studied by others. if they can reproduce your results, your discovery is recognized. i doubt that busby belongs to this kind of science. i can't even find him in german wikipedia. he must be a small light.
by Edano 9/20/2011 5:45:08 PM

From Dean's link: Dr. Linus Pauling says heavy calcium supplementation will reduce strontium 90 absorption by 50 percent, but be careful not to over indulge unless exposed.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 5:45:57 PM

@Edano Busby has self published lots of books,has some journal articles but I don't know anything about the various journals listed and if they are respected peer reviewed or faux journals. en.wikipedia.org
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 5:47:33 PM

@lilly.. I think that some of the people out to make money off supplements will say about anydang thing.... like.. EAT bark off a 100 year old cyprus tree and you won't get pregnant or something
by dean 9/20/2011 5:48:37 PM

safespaceprotection.com not sure how credible this is but here is something
by dean 9/20/2011 5:50:32 PM

In 1951, Pauling gave a lecture entitled, "Molecular Medicine".[57] In the late 1950s, Pauling worked on the role of enzymes in brain function, believing that mental illness may be partly caused by enzyme dysfunction. In 1965 Pauling read Niacin Therapy in Psychiatry by Abram Hoffer and theorized vitamins might have important biochemical effects unrelated to their prevention of associated deficiency diseases.[citation needed] In 1968 Pauling published a brief paper in Science entitled "Orthomolecular psychiatry"[58] that gave name and principle to the popular but controversial megavitamin therapy movement of the 1970s. Pauling coined the term "orthomolecular" to refer to the practice of varying the concentration of substances normally present in the body to prevent and treat disease. His ideas formed the basis of orthomolecular medicine, which is not generally practiced by conventional medical professionals and has been strongly criticized. en.wikipedia.org
by Edano 9/20/2011 5:50:51 PM

ROTECTIVE SUPPLEMENTS

Calcium/magnesium

The New England Journal of Medicine reported that calcium may prevent precancerous cells from becoming cancerous. It also protects against strontium 90 (similar structure to calcium) and other radioisotopes.
by dean 9/20/2011 5:51:13 PM

In the illustration above (in the posted link), we are looking down on the core. For control and indication purposes the core is divided into four sections or quadrants; note that there is a white line dividing these, and that each has its own color coded sensor system (again for the purpose of this illustration, we'll just refer to colors.) In terms of the small numbers in the blocks (each block represents one control rod drive mechanism position indicator) the lower the number, the better the test. As was reported by TEPCO, and apparently carried only widely by Kyodo News and then Fox News, we see that only one - the yellow block - passed fully.

If we assume that the general condition of all of the cable runs, the insulation and the containment penetrations is good then we might assume that RPV failure has occurred more in the area of the lower quadrants as seen here (note the black and the purple containment penetrations and wiring runs.) However, TEPCO states that it appears that there is enough indication of wiring damage that we cannot infer the condition of the pressure vessel from this test alone - the test results may be spurious. For example, the detectors might be OK but the interconnecting wiring shorted out. Thus, TEPCO feels that this test didn't really give it the kind of information it was looking for.
atomicpowerreview.blogspot.com
by smoss 9/20/2011 5:52:01 PM

# Edano, I am not much of an expert in these matters other than knowing a few general things... I trust your inputs on it
by dean 9/20/2011 5:53:28 PM

I'm posting this article only becauseI love the Leaking word in the Title . :-) Not crippled any more ;-) "Typhoon Roke on Track for Leaking Nuke Plant. " Typhoon Roke brought evacuation orders and fears of floods to Nagoya city in central Japan today as it approached the main island of Honshu on a course toward the crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant.
More than 1 million people in Nagoya have been advised to evacuate because of Roke and almost 80,000 have been ordered to leave due to flood risk, said Katsuya Kobayashi in the city’s disaster prevention center. The eye of Roke, categorized as “strong” by the agency, was about 928 kilometers (575 miles) southwest of Tokyo at 3 p.m. local time today. It was packing wind speeds of 144 kilometers per hour (89 miles), with gusts of 216 kilometers per hour. www.bloomberg.com
by Majj 9/20/2011 5:57:02 PM

@dean hey, you're citing an organisation that sells supplements against radiation. that's not fair. ;)
"To Order Call 866-821-8122"
safespaceprotection.com
by Edano 9/20/2011 5:59:22 PM

ha ha... @ Edano.. I noticed that right off,,, and thus the comment to lilly... we could probably come up with some concoction and sell it that would be just as good...
by dean 9/20/2011 6:00:29 PM

@Majj do they have a category rating for Roke?
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 6:01:03 PM

@lillymunster right now (offshore) it's a typhoon cat 4 (!) but they estimate cat 1 when around tokyo in 2 or 3 days.
by Edano 9/20/2011 6:02:25 PM

@lillymunster hisz.rsoe.hu
by Edano 9/20/2011 6:03:13 PM

From the spiffy BWR corium/containment document Dean found this morning:

The second type of meltthrough
is most applicable to Mark I BWR
containments. In this case, molten material
can exit the area beneath the reactor and
flow across the floor, directly contacting the
steel liner and causing it to fail. This type
of failure, which is addressed in more detail
in Section 4.7, can happen much more
quickly than basemat meltthrough and can
lead to more serious consequences.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 6:10:27 PM

At fuku they don't have the steel only liner theirs are steel backed up by the reinforced concrete liner. With the exception of the torus vent pipe holes where it is just steel.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 6:11:23 PM

Found another good bit. Talking about various containment structures it talks about two kinds of containment cap bolting designs and one where the bolts can stretch - Hello! Unit 3? I will post more when I get to the rest of the info:

A good example is
provided by Figure 4.1-13, which affords a
subjective comparison of the bolting
arrangements used at these two plants for the
respective drywell head closure flanges. In
this case, the Browns Ferry arrangement is
less prone to flange separation by bolt
elongation at elevated temperatures. This
difference may be important for severe
accident sequences involving high drywell
temperatures (see Section 4.2), since the
integrity of the silicon seals has been
demonstrated'
4
to degrade significantly at
temperatures in excess of about 600 K
(620 'F). The point here is that the failure
pressure can vary with temperature and can
be affected by seemingly unimportant design
differences
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 6:15:46 PM

good evening
by elainekirk 9/20/2011 6:20:01 PM

welcome @ Elaine did you bring the kettle?
by dean 9/20/2011 6:20:21 PM

@dean of yes espresso en masse due to me being caffiene deprivated ALL day
by elainekirk 9/20/2011 6:23:34 PM

containment cap bolt types. Fuku type on right. More likely to stretch
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 6:27:00 PM

Just watching this vid of the water injection setup. At MIT we'd call that a major "hack", like some kid took his firetrucks and hooked up a bunch of hoses and pipes together, which is pretty much all you can do at this point, McGuyver stuff at a macro level. www.youtube.com
by artnuke 9/20/2011 6:27:21 PM

@ lilly.. we must assume that the door was initially closed to the pedestal doorway

by dean 9/20/2011 6:27:31 PM

quadruple shots for elaine
by dean 9/20/2011 6:27:57 PM

hello @ artnuke
by dean 9/20/2011 6:28:17 PM

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by Majj 9/20/2011 6:28:48 PM

by Majj via S1.proxy04.twitpic 9/20/2011 6:29:11 PM

be back.. going to grab lunch
by dean 9/20/2011 6:35:42 PM

So how can people say this thing is "under control" if iodine proves that thing is still cooking and pumping out new stuff beyond what was there when it melted down? I take it the big peak in iodine was when the fuel melted, and again in the steam explosion #3, but it's still brewing new stuff into the air and sea? seawater contamination of radioactive iodide at 1,250 time legal limit in sea near plant. english.kyodonews.jp
by Ralph Unger March 25 at 6:47 PM
by artnuke 9/20/2011 6:40:40 PM

seawater contamination of radioactive iodide at 1,250 time legal limit in sea near plant. english.kyodonews.jp
by artnuke 9/20/2011 6:40:44 PM

let me introduce myself, I'm the asianweek guy with the nuclear anydex site on arthurhu.com. I haven't seen any other conservatives take an anti-nuclear stance, I've only seen Beck and Coulter completely dismiss the safety issue. I do suspect the same anti-war folks who are behind the 9-11 conspiracy theory / truth movement and show up on the Russia Today / Iranian PressTV / AlJazeera / American free Press / Alex Jones circuit are promoting the nuclear scare stuff, which isn't helpful considering how bad the cleanup job is even if the number of fatalities is somewhere between none and a few dozen depending on what you call a radiation direct or indirect effect.
by artnuke 9/20/2011 6:40:46 PM

@artnuke sorry you were stuck there I have put you on auto now
by elainekirk 9/20/2011 6:41:09 PM

@artnuke I saw something today about the iodine levels in the water at #3
by elainekirk 9/20/2011 6:43:06 PM

@elainekirk @artnuke do we have a link for that?
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 6:46:30 PM

@lillymunster just gonna find I need to get my life sorted just had another fuku message and replied "oh I could tell you more....just give me a month to find the link again"
by elainekirk 9/20/2011 6:51:21 PM

@lillymunster its in this doc too www.tepco.co.jp search iodine there are three instances
by elainekirk 9/20/2011 6:57:38 PM

From the article Edano posted on www3.nhk.or.jp It contains the paragraph, "They say the amount of radioactive substances released from the plant was about 200-million becquerels per hour in the first half of September. They say that's about one-four millionths of the level of the initial stages of the accident in March.
by wrshpr 9/20/2011 7:00:38 PM

@elainekirk the way that reads they are still detecting and have been detecting iodine 131 all along in August and Sept. if this is right they are full of crap about being in cold shutdown (they were full of it about that for many other reasons already)
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 7:02:42 PM

Busby's most famous work before Fukushima: Fallujah is Worse Than Hiroshima: english.pravda.ru He was doing this "research" as US Marines were battling mujahideen in the most savage battle of the war, and this story is widely reposted on radical muslim websites. History usually shows people who are nice to Jews and Israel are good guys, people who are nice to people who are NOT nice to Jews or Isreal, these days mostly radical Islamists, or radical Islamists hiding behinding an anti-war movement, tend to be bad guys.
by artnuke 9/20/2011 7:02:47 PM

From the article Edano posted on www3.nhk.or.jp It contains the paragraph, "They say the amount of radioactive substances released from the plant was about 200-million becquerels per hour in the first half of September. They say that's about one-four millionths of the level of the initial stages of the accident in March.........What I wanted to say there is wouldn't that be 800,000,000,000 becquerels per hour or 19,200,000,000,000,000 bq daily. Does that jive with our understanding of the math at the peak of things? I knew that the total amount released was in TerraBecquerels, but I didn't know that there were daily releases which fell into that category. The article is also a little unclear as to whether the release numbers are comprehensive or solely involve that which is released into the air.
by wrshpr 9/20/2011 7:04:17 PM

@wrshpr I would have to go look but I remember previously a quote of being in the billions of tera becquerels per day.
by lillymunster 9/20/2011 7:06:01 PM

Seems that somebody should be able to compute how much stuff that was ALREADY brewed up got away in the meltdown, but also compute how much NEW stuff is being brewed and how fast that is getting away. I'd also be interested in any research that shows exactly how harmful all this cesium-137. The BBC piece says only a dozen people died from Iodine-induced thyroid cancer, they said nothing about deaths from Cesium. Wikipedia says that if you steal a big cesium emitter and put it in your pocket, that will kill you, but what happens if say you just play on a cesium contaminated playground or eat cesium contaminated food? They say the amount of radioactive substances released from the plant was about 200-million becquerels per hour in the first half of September. They say that's about one-four millionths of the level of the initial stages of the accident in March.
by artnuke 9/20/2011 7:06:08 PM