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@Edano this is why there has to be ongoing independent testing.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 1:07:01 AM

@lillymunster oh yes !
by Edano 10/9/2011 1:07:24 AM

@Edano good point in that comparison can that be used Lilly?
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 1:08:33 AM

i have to cool down, getting angry...
by Edano 10/9/2011 1:08:35 AM

Fukushima Pref. starts thyroid exams for children

FUKUSHIMA, Japan, Oct. 9, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 10/9/2011 1:12:06 AM

@elainekirk the mushrooms?
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 1:12:43 AM

@lillymunster yes
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 1:15:48 AM

I would guess this is behind the current rash of twit "experts" telling everyone radiation is great www.guardian.co.uk
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 1:16:19 AM

@elainekirk yes. We could go a step further than determine what bavaria got as doses in 86 to show a long term comparison. Safecast data or if we have some independent testing for Iwate would be useful.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 1:17:20 AM

@lillymunster I will look see what I can find
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 1:27:40 AM

@lillymunster yup the guardian as I say are not very good at standing by their priciples sometimes very maleable
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 1:29:03 AM

Mis-information is an excellent tool and the 'rash of twit experts' make supeb red herrings, don't they? Surely the media have been used for sowing uncertainty about facts since well before March 2011 . Since Fukushima, the japanese govt. (and TEPCO as a result) has also only ever admitted unpleasant news it was absolutely forced to reveal. So while the overall strategy hasn't changed, the consequences of this continuing lack of information for every person in Japan just became more dire. How do you live, eat, shop for food, raise your kids safely, if your government is so obviously your enemy? Can you trust the official test results for food? Common sense and history simply dictates that independent testing of everything the govt. says or does is essential. It also pays to take a good long look at the (available!) results of the fallout after Chernobyl and its consequences to human health and to remind yourself occasionally that the scale of radiation still being released in Fukushima is many many times larger. Think.
by Muninn 10/9/2011 1:35:07 AM

sadly, japanese tend to trust their "masters".
by Edano 10/9/2011 1:37:22 AM

a bedouin proverb says: "Trust in god and bind your camel's feet". To be adapted: "Trust in your government and get yourself a decent geiger counter"?
by Muninn 10/9/2011 1:39:18 AM

anybody seen this or heard of the authors ? www.alfred-koerblein.de
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 1:40:21 AM

@elainekirk körblein is one of the KIKK authors. reliable scientist, physics. www.tschernobylkongress.de
by Edano 10/9/2011 1:42:43 AM

@Edano OOO very good some solid research then
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 1:46:21 AM

www.alfred-koerblein.de

a diagram shows the cumulated results of the kikk study www.alfred-koerblein.de red cancer green control group x and y axis distance from nuke (0/0).
by Edano via Alfred-koerblein.de 10/9/2011 1:47:04 AM

@Muninn :-) I like that.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 1:49:20 AM

a remarkable graphic, isn't it ?
by Edano 10/9/2011 1:49:33 AM

@elainekirk:
Our results challenge the concept of a threshold dose of about 100 mSv for the induction of
malformations and suggest that the form of the dose response curve at very low doses is nonmonotonous.
According to Burlakova [8], radiation effects are best characterised by a bimodal
dose response curve with a low dose maximum, followed by a plateau region or even a
decrease, and a subsequent increase at higher doses. The proposed mechanism involves an
increase of DNA repair efficiency by low level radiation exceeding a certain trigger dose.
In conclusion we believe that the biological effects of very low dose ionising radiation as yet
are not well understood and deserve further attention. - this is
by Muninn 10/9/2011 1:52:00 AM

..sorry I was going to say that is precisely what Prof. Kodama was talking about in his speech to the Japanese govt. The Dose/cancer ratio isn't clearly understood yet. But particularly at ultra-low doses of radiation, there is the trigger-dose effect that can indeed cause cancer
by Muninn 10/9/2011 1:54:08 AM

@Muninn yes they are trying to qualify the unknown
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 1:58:48 AM

@elainekirk that is what really annoys me, when someone takes a gap or an evolving knowledge in science and declares a finite result of no risk.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 2:03:33 AM

The way I understand it is:
by Muninn 10/9/2011 2:09:14 AM

In the Japanese newspapers today and yesterday:
by Luisa 10/9/2011 2:09:18 AM

TEPCO orchestrated 'personal' donations to LDP www.asahi.com
by Luisa 10/9/2011 2:09:20 AM

trying to find bavaria data not as easy as I thought it would be
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 2:10:36 AM

another korblein paper on pregnancy outcomes docs.google.com
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 2:13:02 AM

Noda says nuclear power budget may be diverted for decontamination, compensation mdn.mainichi.jp
by Luisa 10/9/2011 2:13:54 AM

1) radiation exposure to cancer effect ratio is non-linear, at very low doses even more so. 2) Once a low-dose exposure threshold is reached, this will trigger DNA repair activity (production of cells), most pronounced in children and pregnant women, as their cells divide more rapidly anyway. 3) During a second, higher dose exposure, even a small triggered increase of dividing cells means a much higher risk of damage from radiation exposure = increased malformation / cancer risk.
by Muninn 10/9/2011 2:14:20 AM

@Luisa ty
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 2:19:54 AM

@Muninn nuke is not safe at any level
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 2:22:55 AM

g'night all
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 2:30:27 AM

Nite Elaine!
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 2:32:43 AM

Y'all are gonna love this. Hope it's not a repost. Temperatures drop at Fukushima damaged reactors

New footage of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi plant has been released by the Tokyo Electric Power Company. No steam is seen leaving the No.2 and 3 reactors, which indicates that internal temperatures have dropped.

On Saturday TEPCO released video footage taken from above the No. 1 through No. 3 reactor buildings between Monday and Thursday.

As for the No. 1 reactor building, a hydrogen explosion collapsed its roof, blocking a clear view of the inside.

The video shows that the No. 2 reactor building suffered no major damage to its pipes and other equipment.

However, inside the No. 3 reactor building debris are scattered everywhere.

TEPCO confirmed that no steam is presently being released from reactors No.2 and 3.
In August, the 2 reactors were emitting steam.

Officials say the temperature inside the No. 3 reactor dropped below 100 degrees Celsius 3 weeks ago, followed by a decline in temperature at reactor No.2.

TEPCO believes that the drop in temperatures has led to the reduction in steam.

Photos of the central control rooms for No. 1 and 2 reactors were also released.

The maximum radiation level in the control rooms is 0.01 millisieverts per hour.

Sunday, October 09, 2011 08:58 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by M.I.A. 10/9/2011 4:18:11 AM

The rest of the story... Unit 1 has highest rad readings so far. Unit 2's issue is the torus and likely below. Unit 3 has very little "inside" left to see.
by M.I.A. 10/9/2011 4:40:18 AM

Continued...The temps may have fallen because the corium 'fell'. Or maybe the tsunami of water tepco is pouring lowered temps., but the coast line is a sea of radiation.
by M.I.A. 10/9/2011 4:44:38 AM

And the control room is cool. But don't go out without your suit and mask 'cause it's really (radioactively) 'hot' outside.
by M.I.A. 10/9/2011 4:48:29 AM

Farmers frustrated on removing tainted straw www.yomiuri.co.jp

The Yomiuri Shimbun
by Luisa 10/9/2011 6:10:22 AM

Article about Higashidori village on the Shimokita Peninsula. Tohoku Electric Power Co.'s Higashidori nuclear power plant, which faces the Pacific Ocean, and other nuclear-related facilities, including a temporary storage facility for spent nuclear fuel, are located in the area surrounding the village. 5 big tsunamis may have hit nuclear plant village in past 1,000 years mdn.mainichi.jp
by Luisa 10/9/2011 6:10:26 AM

IAEA team observes Japan’s nuclear cleanup as Fukushima begins thyroid survey of children www.washingtonpost.com
by Mid Valley 10/9/2011 6:20:24 AM

Hi, back home after 3 weeks out. I did not read the 200 pages yet... Did you see that this week in Le Monde? Chernobyl: the Corsican Assembly passed a motion against the dismissal. with google translate: translate.google.com
by Olivier 10/9/2011 6:52:55 AM

good morning welcome back Olivier
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 9:39:24 AM

At 11:45 am on October 8, our partner company's worker found liquid
spill at hose between transferring reverse osmosis membrane concentrated
water pump and temporary storage tank for concentrated water in Water
Desalinations. At noon on the same day, we stopped the operation of
reverse osmosis membrane concentrated water pump and confirmed the stop
of leakage. Then, we changed the lines of hose, and at 14:00, we
restarted transferring reverse osmosis membrane concentrated water pump
and the operation of Water Desalinations. Please note that we were
injecting water to the reactor continuously even while the operation of
Water Desalinations were under suspension.
www.tepco.co.jp
At around 4:31 pm on October 8, when coming back from Fukushima Daiichi
Main Anti-Earthquake Building to Fukushima Daini Visitors' Hall, a TEPCO
staff member who had been there to confirm the situation of liquid leaks
in the water desalinations (reverse osmosis membrane type) was checked for
body contamination and decontaminated because of contamination of his left
waist, chin and cervical part. After that, no ingestion of radioactive
materials was confirmed as a result of measurement of whole-body counter. www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 9:47:49 AM