Do Tepco need to check the accuracy of their WBC ???????????????
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 9:48:51 AM
just realised tepco say " no ingestion of radioactive materials was confirmed as a result of measurement of whole-body counter." they aren't saying he wasnt contaminated that is very misleading
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 10:30:23 AM
Hi@all, hi elainekirk, i found this bavariadata. Hope you have ways to translate. Cleft jaw study in Bavaria before and after Chernobyl tinyurl.com
by Liz 10/9/2011 10:39:17 AM
@Liz OO where is Edano he must know what this says..
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 10:40:10 AM
@elainekirk, Increase in perinatal mortality, Stillbirths and malformations in Germany, in Europe and in heavily polluted regions after 1986 tinyurl.com Malformations in newborns in Bavaria tinyurl.com
by Liz 10/9/2011 10:40:10 AM
@Liz and still the nuclear band wagon rolled on.Edano and Peter should be able to help but I would think there are translations out there I will look
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 10:41:09 AM
@elainekirk zappazapp ! :)
by Edano 10/9/2011 10:41:29 AM
@Edano oh wow Magic
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 10:42:28 AM
Congenital malformations and lack of births after Chernobyl tinyurl.com 20 years after Chernobyl wildlife still contaminated www.stern.de tinyurl.com
by Liz 10/9/2011 10:44:25 AM
cleft jaw incidence has risen from 1986 to 1990 by 9.5% in bavaria.
by Edano 10/9/2011 10:44:41 AM
similar rise in the former GDR: 8.6%
by Edano 10/9/2011 10:45:18 AM
@Edano rockhopper says thank you this info is really useful
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 10:45:44 AM
elainekirk, there is tons of information if you search in german. Cant post some of the original links though. It says oops spam when i do?
by Liz 10/9/2011 10:45:49 AM
@elainekirk ... ?
by Edano 10/9/2011 10:46:43 AM
@Liz sometimes if you convert the url to a tinyurl.com that works
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 10:46:50 AM
there is an english translation on page 2:
"H. Scherb · E.Weigelt Prevalence of cleft lip and palate in Bavaria,Germany, before and after the Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident Abstract Background: Cleft lip and palates (CLP) occur with a frequency of between 1 and 2 cases in 1000 live births and thus belong to the most frequent congenital anomalies. In the former German Democratic Republic (GDR), records covering 1967–1989 for CLP newborns show a 9.4% increase of the prevalence of CLP from 1987 to 1989, possibly due to Chernobyl. Data and statistical method: In Bavaria, all congenital malformations in children’s hospitals have been recorded from 1984 to 1991.Among these data, 1324 cases with CLP were found.A spatial-temporal analysis aimed at uncovering a possible association of the CLP occurrence with the Chernobyl fallout on a district level, as well as a synoptic analysis of the GDR and Bavarian data,were carried out. Results: In Bavaria, from October 1986 to December 1990, the CLP frequency increased by 9.5% (p=0.10) relative to the trend as computed from the remaining years.The association of CLP rates with fallout on a district level is reflected by a significant relative risk (RR) per kBq/m2 of RR= 1.008 (p=0.03). A synoptic analysis of the Bavarian data and the GDR data restricted to the overlapping time window from 1984 to 1989 discloses a simultaneous significant jump of the CLP prevalence by 8.6% (p= 0.02) after 1986. Conclusion: The presumption of a long-term increase of CLP after exposure to Chernobyl fallout is corroborated by the analysis of the Bavarian congenital malformation data. Keywords Cleft lip and palate · Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident · Ecological exposure-response relation · Radioactivity · Spatial-temporal analysis"
by Edano 10/9/2011 10:47:43 AM
I did @elainekirk. It took me a moment to figure out though =)
by Liz 10/9/2011 10:47:58 AM
@Edano I send her replies to her questions and the reiss study also was going to ask you if the study last night would be good author to send you said he was good I forget his/her name will track back
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 10:48:17 AM
@elainekirk, Edano, Cancer and infant mortality in Bavaria in dependence on the natural background radiation tinyurl.com
by Liz 10/9/2011 10:53:53 AM
this is exactly my field, the cited journal is my favourite "Mund Kiefer GesichtsChir". the clefts happen very early in pregnancy, in the first 7 weeks, when many women are still not aware of her pregnancy. that is the problem. one x ray in the first weeks of pregnancy can cause a cleft.
@Edano is it a study that you think I should pass to rockhopper it has the cleft in I am just thinking if she has everything in 1 doc it would be easier to reference when being shared with others
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 11:00:29 AM
you will surely find "experts" who blame radiation fears and evacuation stress for the clefts.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:01:47 AM
@Edano I like your link it can be saved in google docs making sharing easier
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 11:01:58 AM
@Edano in the book? is the book saying it is 'fear' causing it?
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 11:02:53 AM
@elainekirk noooooo. *cinism on*
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:03:21 AM
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:04:08 AM
the yablokov study is a must have.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:05:41 AM
@Liz @Edano would you like coffee while we listen?
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 11:06:07 AM
@elainekirk tea. ceylon assam, please. no earl grey.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:06:45 AM
@elainekirk, sugar and milk please =)
by Liz 10/9/2011 11:07:52 AM
he talks about the crucial iaea and who agreement.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:10:48 AM
he says an interesting fact: germany can easily phase out nuclear technology because it does not have nuke weapons and no ambitions to get them either. (same with italy and switzerland, imo)
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:18:00 AM
nuke plants are a vehicle for countries to achieve nuke weapons.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:18:49 AM
@Edano yes very enlightening I am riveted and I do wonder if Japan saw themselves with a future in supply
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 11:19:31 AM
@elainekirk japan has always dreamed the nuke bomb dream. that's why they want the nuclear circle with monju.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:21:04 AM
but the us forbid them so they still prepared for it until their master finally agrees.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:21:31 AM
France 24 Program on Fukushima Workers
It's a program from July 10, 2011 on France 24 International News in English. Unlike NHK documentaries or Germany's ZDF programs, France 24 managed to get the workers talk in front of the camera without hiding their faces and having their voices changed to avoid identification. ex-skf.blogspot.com
by Majj 10/9/2011 11:24:17 AM
in case of a conflict with china or north korea, the usa will equip japan with nuke weapons and then they are prepared to take over the hegemony over east asia.
by Edano 10/9/2011 11:24:44 AM
@Edano to have a dream of killing innocents in their thousands and leaving vast swathes of land uninhabitable for generations and we think we put criminals behind bars , we don't they are out there governing us,.