Japan Earthquake

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@Liz, can I save your translation as a reference document for the website?
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 4:40:58 PM

@lillymunster the best thing is not available which is a government interested in acting for the people rther than the economy. In a few years fuku is going to be like areas around chernobyl where the people have no industry , or hope
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 4:45:02 PM

@elainekirk I have to wonder if some NGO like doctors without borders or doctors agains nuclear war would be able to provide private services to help people where the govt isn't going to as far as health. I think anything directly tied to another countries govt. would never step in.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 4:47:15 PM

Maybe the government should move now to make it the hub of internet commerce where websites are maintained and developed, where internet marketing is centered anything that they can run as an independent entity that requires no industry, shipping etc so they don't by default become isolated even though in effect they will be isolated .
I want to find what research grants are going in and who is supplying the funding, that one yesterday for a prof to study the abnormalities was terrible nobody has explained to the people that there will be abnormalitie

by elainekirk 10/9/2011 4:50:33 PM

@elainekirk Something that has been done in rural areas of the US was to put call centers and administrative offices in areas that needed jobs. The overhead and wages were cheaper because the cost of living was lower. It provides some better jobs for people who live in the area and all of the "product" is information. We have a bunch of call centers, banking information & processing offices and insurance offices where I live. There are enough people to provide a good work force but we are so far away from everything that tangible products require lots of shipping.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 4:55:27 PM

Or they could take the US veterans administration model and have the disaster victims be the employees of the agency handling the disaster recovery and aftermath. The VA has a mandate to give veterans hiring preference.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 4:56:23 PM

@lillymunster that is the type of thing I was thinking of but they need to get the infrastucture in place for the traditional farming/tourist communities to learn English and internet skills but I think your example is what they need to look at
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 4:58:08 PM

@elainekirk there could be domestic need for those things too. I honestly don't think farming and tourism will ever fully recover. They might be able to reestablish farming in the further away areas that are less contaminated. It really is sad. The area is so beautiful.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 5:00:37 PM

THis is a core flaw in the early logic of putting nuclear facilities away from population centers. You avoid impacting a large population but then you ruin their food supply.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 5:02:47 PM

www3.nhk.or.jp

Nuclear stress test survey

An NHK survey shows that more than 40 percent of the country's prefectures and municipalities hosting nuclear power plants approve of the government's stress tests to confirm the safety of idle nuclear reactors. But nearly 80 percent were cautious about resuming their operation.

NHK received survey replies from all 29 prefectures and their municipalities that host nuclear power plants, excluding Fukushima Prefecture, in late September.

41 percent of them approved of the tests, while 14 percent disapproved. 45 percent were undecided.

But 79 percent of the prefectures and municipalities said they want to be careful about the timing of resuming operations at their idle reactors.

The results are similar to a survey taken in June before the introduction of the stress tests, indicating that the tests have not helped to win the public's understanding toward resuming operations.

Meanwhile, 2 villages said they want to resume operations at their nuclear reactors as soon as possible. These were part of the 21 percent in favor of continuing nuclear power generation.

A Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency official said nuclear experts will examine the stress-test results and publish the information. The official added that he will make sincere efforts to explain the tests to local residents.

Sunday, October 09, 2011 22:37 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano via Www3.nhk.or.jp 10/9/2011 5:03:18 PM

@Edano Every reactor should require a local referendum vote in order to resume operation.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 5:05:11 PM

@lillymunster better not.... just shut them all down.
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:07:02 PM

IAEA team visits

A team of radiation experts from the International Atomic Energy Agency has visited Minami Soma City, Fukushima Prefecture, to inspect efforts to remove radioactive materials.

The 12-member team has been in Japan since Friday at the request of Environment Minister Goshi Hosono to offer advice on ways to effectively clear away radioactive substances.

After exchanging views with members of the government task force in Fukushima City, the IAEA experts visited a facility in Minami Soma City where the government is carrying out decontamination work as a model for other areas.

The effects of decontamination on buildings, roads, parking lots and forests are being studied at the 30,000-square-meter facility.

The visitors were briefed by a member of the Japan Atomic Energy Agency, which is carrying out the experiment. They asked questions about the area being cleaned and wanted to know what measures were being taken to protect workers.

When hearing that fresh, fertile soil was being placed in the forest where contaminated soil had been removed, the IAEA experts said this was a good idea.

Team leader Juan Carlos Lentijo said the situation is interesting, and that the exchange of opinions will be helpful to his team when compiling their report.

An observer who lives nearby said he wants the latest techniques that were tested after the 1986 Chernobyl accident to be used to make the area into a safe place for children.

The inspection team will visit Date City and Iidate Village on Monday to inspect an elementary school and some farmland that have been decontaminated.

Sunday, October 09, 2011 22:37 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:08:42 PM

Hosono: transparent stress tests

Japan's minister in charge of the nuclear disaster says the results of the government's stress tests on nuclear reactors will be fully disclosed.

In a speech in Sanjo City, Niigata Prefecture, on Sunday, Goshi Hosono said he told IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano in Vienna that he would like the agency to observe the tests.

He said that although the Japanese government is responsible for securing the safety of the nation's nuclear plants, he also wants international evaluations.

Hosono said he will disclose the results of the tests to the municipalities and residents concerned, and make the testing process highly transparent.

Sunday, October 09, 2011 22:37 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:11:08 PM

sure.
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:11:30 PM

english.kyodonews.jp

IAEA team in Japan
Experts from the International Atomic Energy Agency view a model project to decontaminate an area in Minamisoma, Fukushima Prefecture, on Oct. 9, 2011, near the radiation-leaking Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. They are in Japan to assist in the decontamination of areas near the crippled plant. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 10/9/2011 5:12:45 PM

back.. hi to all
by dean 10/9/2011 5:17:38 PM

@lillymunster, re @Liz, can I save your translation as a reference document for the website? Yes, if you can use it.
by Liz 10/9/2011 5:17:50 PM

@Liz thanks!
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 5:18:15 PM

I am developing an intense dislike of the iaea
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 5:18:35 PM

this is a new study cancercontrol.cancer.gov re chernobyl
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 5:19:06 PM

today there was a strange note in tepco's csv data files:

(in unit 2) "temperature of rpv drain pipe top corrected October 09, 2011 at 12:00 (Correct) 76.0 ℃ (false) 79.5 ℃" www.tepco.co.jp

why do they correct data and on what base ???

any idea, dean ?
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:19:56 PM

check it Edano
by dean 10/9/2011 5:22:04 PM

I added the radiation release study as a page on the site with a link in the Library under Radiation Exposure. houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 5:22:09 PM

@dean sent you an email with info on the FOIA log document
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 5:22:41 PM

@dean it's in japanese: "圧力容器ドレンパイプ上部温度（正）76.0℃ （誤）79.5℃（2011年10月9日12時訂正）"
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:22:49 PM

I can't make anything out of why @ Edano but, mark that one and then see how things trend... there were so many ups and downs on that data
by dean 10/9/2011 5:25:34 PM

ty @ lilly.. checking now
by dean 10/9/2011 5:25:46 PM

@ Edano.. do you know what all the text on top of those columns of numbers say?
by dean 10/9/2011 5:29:02 PM

@dean yes, of course: 日時,逃し安全弁漏洩検出器 RV-2-71A,主蒸気隔離弁漏洩検出器 2-86A,給水ノズル　N-4B 温度,CRDハウジング上部温度,圧力容器下部温度,圧力容器支持スカート上部温度,圧力容器ドレンパイプ上部温度,D/W HVH戻り温度(HVH-16A),RPVベローシール,原子炉抑制室ガス温度,S/Cプール水温度A,S/Cプール水温度B,備考

I, RV relief safety valve leak detector-2-71A, 2 main steam isolation valve leakage detector-86A, water-temperature nozzle N 4B, upper temperature CRD housing, the lower the temperature pressure vessels, pressure vessel support skirt upper temperature, pressure vessels drain pipe at the top temperature, return temperature D / W HVH (HVH-16A), RPV bellows Seal, room temperature gas reactor suppression, A temperature at S / C pool, B water temperature S / C pool Remark
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:30:31 PM

@dean it's the location of the thermometers :)
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:31:10 PM

ty Edano
by dean 10/9/2011 5:33:05 PM

i just found it out.

the data sheet of 5:00 says:
"10/9 5:00,89.6 ,44.3 ,79.4 ,78.6 ,86.6 ,79.5 ,79.5 ,93.0 ,80.0 ,65.0 ,50.7 ,50.7"

of 11:00:
10/9 5:00,89.6 ,44.3 ,79.4 ,78.6 ,86.6 ,79.5 ,76.0 ,93.0 ,80.0 ,65.0 ,50.7 ,50.7

so it is just a writing error. :)

good that i save all the data files !
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:33:14 PM

@Edano, exactly.. my first thoughts were,, well if TEPCO changes a data point it's probably to cover something up... not very trusting
by dean 10/9/2011 5:37:19 PM

@dean that's what i thought, but it seems to be okay now. :)
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:38:20 PM

@lilly.. ty for the mailing.. now I can go to work on some review
by dean 10/9/2011 5:38:23 PM

nobody's perfect, not even tepco. ;)
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:40:11 PM

true @ Edano I can't imagine all the data they have between all the plants
by dean 10/9/2011 5:41:16 PM

@dean it somehow surprises me that the seem to write it down by hand .... i would assume computers would do that ....
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:42:17 PM

@Edano computers leave a permanent record tepco like ones they can manipulate
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 5:43:14 PM

@elainekirk hmmmm yes it is strange...
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:43:42 PM

@Edano pretty common though believe it or not especially in boo
keeping
by elainekirk 10/9/2011 5:46:18 PM

i could write them a program :)
by Edano 10/9/2011 5:46:53 PM

@Edano I am guessing they dump it all into a program or spreadsheet that sends it all back out.
by lillymunster 10/9/2011 5:47:35 PM

@ all.. they do have plants built so many years ago that it's hard to say which parameters were ever put into a computer input, and, we don't have much on the data collection system they had at the time of the accident so I could see where many of the readings would be on hourly data sheets written manually. Many of these old
plants have aux systems also where you have to walk around with data sheets to fill out and then pass on each day
by dean 10/9/2011 5:51:16 PM