
www.anengineerindc.com check comment 6 in this link about the isolation condensor
by dean 10/21/2011 1:36:05 PM

Anonymous said...
Fukushima 1 actually had (has) an isolation condenser, however the valves were kept closed most of the time during the start of the accident when the power was lost.
Had the valves been kept open... maybe unit 1 would be O now. We really need to find out more what happened, Tepco reports clearly indicate the inappropriate operation of the isolation condenser. Why on earth was the cooling not used?
by dean 10/21/2011 1:36:57 PM

we need fitter...
by dean 10/21/2011 1:39:18 PM

@dean So it is below the refueling floor and across the building from the fuel pool so about somewhere under the equipment pool. Surprised they are inside the building with the high rad levels.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 1:39:34 PM

They must be getting a high dose being in the building like that.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 1:40:49 PM

I saw their chest meters blinking.. not sure on the dose but they do seem to press on ..
by dean 10/21/2011 1:41:49 PM

@ lilly.. the condensors look to me to be about the height of the top head on the opposite side of the spent fuel pool.. perhaps next to the equipment pool
by dean 10/21/2011 1:42:58 PM

Isolation Condenser (IC)
Some reactors, including notably the (E)SBWR series of reactors, have a passive system called the Isolation Condenser. This is a heat exchanger located above containment in a pool of water open to atmosphere. In operation, decay heat boils steam, which is drawn into the heat exchanger and condensed; then it falls by weight of gravity back into the reactor. This process keeps the cooling water in the reactor, making it unnecessary to use powered feedwater pumps. The water in the open pool slowly boils off, venting clean steam to the atmosphere. This makes it unnecessary to run mechanical systems to remove heat. Periodically, the pool must be refilled, a simple task for a fire truck. The (E)SBWR reactors provide three days' supply of water in the pool. [5] Some older reactors also have IC systems, including Fukushima Dai-ichi reactor 1, however their water pools may not be as large.
Under normal conditions, the IC system is not activated, but the top of the IC condenser is connected to the reactor's steam lines through an open valve. Steam enters the IC condenser and condenses until it is filled with water. When the IC system is activated, a valve at the bottom of the IC condenser is opened which connects to a lower area on the reactor. The water falls to the reactor via gravity, allowing the condenser to fill with steam, which then condenses. This cycle runs continuously until the bottom valve is closed
by dean 10/21/2011 1:44:42 PM

@dean You can see towards the end they are on the outside of the containment bulb where it says 8A. They go up to check some pipes and you can hear everyone's dosimeters beeping.
Are there any specifics I should grab still shots of?
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 1:48:19 PM

@lilly.. there are so many things just in the first video I ran into.. cracks in walls, broken piping, damaged electrical panels, just to name a few of interest.. anything showing system damage are all good shots..
by dean 10/21/2011 1:50:19 PM


Refueling floor panorama unit 2 www.tepco.co.jp

from what the article said on isolation condensors the water gravity falls to the reactor after the condensation
by dean 10/21/2011 1:52:46 PM

@dean what about the gauges? Are they of any use?
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 1:53:26 PM

In some BWRs, such as Fukushima’s Unit 1, an isolation condenser (IC) provides heat removal if the main condenser is unavailable or isolated from the reactor. ICs condense steam from the core and return condensate directly to the core, rejecting the heat to an external pool of water through natural circulation. During isolation condenser operation, the water on the shell side of the condenser boils and needs to be replenished. Makeup water is typically provided from on-site water storage tanks through pumps powered by either off-site power or on-site emergency diesel generators if off-site power is unavailable. Other sources of water—from, say, the fire protection system—could also be used. However, their use will likely require manual actions.
Newer designs, such as those at Fukushima Units 2, 3, and 4, employ a steam turbine-driven reactor core isolation cooling (RCIC) system to control primary system inventory during abnormal transient events, including the loss of off-site power and conditions known as “station blackout” where both on-site and off-site power is lost. Energy from the reactor may be removed through the safety relief valves to the suppression chamber, a toroidal-shaped chamber located within the reactor building that is an integral part of the Mark 1 containments, the kind used by Fukushima Units 1 through 4.
by dean 10/21/2011 1:54:39 PM

the gauges would be good to have if we can identify the component... need to review the videos again to try to access which tanks are shown and then the captured photo could have the title and a shot of the gauge..
by dean 10/21/2011 1:55:36 PM

notice on the RCIC systems.. they require power.. which was lost
by dean 10/21/2011 1:56:23 PM

@dean I think the two tanks with all the insulation knocked off are the two IC tanks from the diagram. They go around them repeatedly from different angles.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 1:57:20 PM

last ditch efforts lead up to the TORUS.. but it was overwhelmed
by dean 10/21/2011 1:57:23 PM

that's what I was thinking.. the video is of unit 1?
by dean 10/21/2011 2:00:25 PM

I say they are the IC's.. the only other larger tanks on that side are one level done for the heat exchangers..
by dean 10/21/2011 2:04:13 PM

@dean yes the IC video is unit 1. I have not looked at the unit 2 video yet
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:05:40 PM

get photos of the IC and gauges etc.. also.. I wonder if we can see the electrical panels for breaker position...or valve photo's to determine if they were open on the bottom or not..
by dean 10/21/2011 2:07:46 PM

@ lilly .. on that refueling floor panorama.. look at the paint over head flaking off.. that's not good to be in reactors if it gets inside.. geeeeeeeeeze
by dean 10/21/2011 2:09:04 PM

econtent.unm.edu @lilly.. can you enlarge the link to about 25% and then highlight the area around the isolation condensor and post it here.. it gives some better perspective of where it is located and things around it
by dean 10/21/2011 2:14:11 PM

those heat exchangers I mentioned are the shutdown heat exchangers and are 2 levels lower
by dean 10/21/2011 2:15:06 PM

@dean will do on the drawing. The paint flaking off, the building has been full of steam for close to 6 months probably made it worse. The predisaster pics showed lots of rust and flaking paint
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:15:26 PM

@dean TEPCO does label the video on their website as the isolation condensers.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:16:32 PM

yes I saw that
by dean 10/21/2011 2:16:59 PM

seeing is believing.. lol ...
by dean 10/21/2011 2:17:13 PM

watching video
by dean 10/21/2011 2:17:35 PM

@dean the angled containment wall looks like maybe that floor below so they were probably on both. Surprising with how high the radiation is.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:17:43 PM

any links to npp accidents in Japan or global gratefully received
by elainekirk 10/21/2011 2:17:52 PM

hi @ elaine
by dean 10/21/2011 2:18:09 PM

true @ lilly
by dean 10/21/2011 2:18:22 PM

@dean @lillymunster I thought there was a geat deal of muffling of dosimeter alarms in the #1 vid but I am non-techi so maybe I am wrong
by elainekirk 10/21/2011 2:18:57 PM


Isolation Condenser
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:20:36 PM

now see I want to know how that is done.. very nice
by dean 10/21/2011 2:21:10 PM

@elainekirk you hear them go off and then stop and it sounded like a couple times it was drown out or covered up.
Anyone know what the loud hissing sound on the video was?
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:21:41 PM

@ all .. I have to run to gym... will return..
by dean 10/21/2011 2:21:49 PM

@dean Windows 7 has a snipping tool. I use that to cut a section of the PDF, and either save it or move it to photoshop if I need to do something to it.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:22:21 PM

@lillymunster I was guessing steam as it reduced/increased dependent on where they were
by elainekirk 10/21/2011 2:28:26 PM

I am going though jnes reports and logging all that have an ines rating
by elainekirk 10/21/2011 2:29:05 PM

@elainekirk The PDF that goes with the unit 2 info has floor plans of multiple levels. We sure could have used those 6 months ago! Let me know what you find on the jnes. Will try to write up something on all the accidents and cover ups later today if your done searching by then.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 2:36:14 PM

@Majj That says they might send people into 2 to retrieve the robot? Yikes.
by lillymunster 10/21/2011 3:08:35 PM