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  • GSDF to usher radiation cleanup work in Fukushima next month

    TOKYO, Nov. 18, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 11/18/2011 12:14:54 PM

  • @Edano delay - good gracious - common sense trumping greed is a new one
    by elainekirk 11/18/2011 12:19:36 PM

  • @elainekirk i would like to have better information on this. yesterday edano said he will not allow restart of genkai 2 and 3, today sendai willl be delayed .....
    by Edano 11/18/2011 12:22:02 PM

  • @♫Hudebnik The limits are set from how big % radiated food is of total diet. And I strongly believe that limitations in Japan is lower because so large % of their food is risk food. Like fish, that also is lower in Japan, but they eat so much of it, so they also get more bequerel. Think something about this here: europa.eu
    by Mona 11/18/2011 12:22:07 PM

  • by Edano via Welt.de 11/18/2011 12:29:50 PM

  • @Mona - ha thanks! The best I have found about EU food limits is here eur-lex.europa.eu tho it is pretty impossible in the sea of EU paperwork to be certain there isn't anything later.
    by hudebnik 11/18/2011 12:39:33 PM

  • @It sure is difficult to orient in a lot of areas - that may be ok for some - because it means not so many that care and ask difficult questions. ;)
    by Mona 11/18/2011 12:42:48 PM

  • Headline from linked europeancitizen link. "The radioactive Iodine-131 leaked for months from an isotope factory at Csilleberc, Hungary" Nov. 18, 2011
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 12:48:20 PM

  • Morning! (afternoon-evening)
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 12:48:24 PM

  • by Andrea C 11/18/2011 12:48:42 PM

  • Good morning! The Magyars are giving me insomnia. Checked thru the Hungarian-language press - the coverage is total cr**. Latest headline from Nepszabadszag: "Csilleberc release- nothing out of the ordinary".
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 12:51:41 PM

  • Morning @lilly
    by hudebnik 11/18/2011 12:52:19 PM

  • There are multiple rad monitors around Budapest and the outer areas of the country. I wonder if we could pull a trend. Is there any idea when they might have started leaking? I wonder if Hungary has any mandatory disclosure of problems at nuclear site. I know they have a national oversight agency because one of the news articles quoted someone from there saying they think it is the plant leaking.
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 12:56:30 PM

  • oops sorry I am nervous wreck campervan due to arrive eeek but I will still be logging in on my phone :)
    by elainekirk 11/18/2011 12:58:06 PM

  • @elaine - are you taking to the woods?
    by hudebnik 11/18/2011 12:59:26 PM

  • @elainekirk They do make satellite dishes that get broadband internet and TV for RV's We could get you a laptop and you could scribble from anywhere. :-)
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 1:00:37 PM

  • @lillymunster - yes, there is supposed to be extremely sensitive detection equipment working right at the KFKI plant. In the comments section of a large Hungarian, people have been asking who was asleep at the switch, and an oppostion party has asked several pointed questions about this in Parliament yesterday. I will try to translate the questions the best I can, but my Hungarian is at about 75-80% (but better than Google translate ;).
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:03:07 PM

  • That's a large Hungarian newspaper I meant to say.... ewwww....
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:04:13 PM

  • @Andrea C. Someone found a Word doc a few days ago on the facility. It appears to be a paper written by the employee of a company that wanted Izotop to do some work for them after some previous work had an issue for another company. He gives a critique of the facility and staff. I will get it cut into a web page here in a bit.
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 1:07:34 PM

  • @lillymunster Is it in Hungarian?
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:09:30 PM

  • good morning. Quickly, like the reactors at Fukushima, this plant had negative pressure in the building, sucking the air out through filters. I read in the doc Dean found that they had retrofitted the building with a standby gas filtering system that was supposed to kick in, once the levels in the building reach a set point. The stack is supposed to have rad level monitors. Neither the filtering nor the monitoring worked.
    by Peter 11/18/2011 1:16:04 PM

  • @Andrea C. English.
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 1:16:14 PM

  • @Peter Didn't work before the accident, during or after...or all of the above?
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 1:16:53 PM

  • I posted the Word doc - it's here www.unclekage.com/rlpics/Izotop%20report.doc
    by hudebnik 11/18/2011 1:18:15 PM

  • @lillymunster , since they had continued releases over weeks either the monitors or the alarms do not work properly. The operators may not even have noticed a contamination, if the negative pressure is high and most iodine gets sucked into the stack. Moreover, the stack is so tall the iodine may not even have precipitated in the vicinity of the reactor, but was picked up by winds higher up and carried away.
    by Peter 11/18/2011 1:22:02 PM

  • @lillymunster Good. Reading Hungarian is hard work (even if you're Hungarian;). @Peter, supposedly, this plant has leaked like a sieve for months since the beginning of the year (it was offline from June to August for filter replacement, maintenance, etc.). Yes, some people, not the least of which is the IAEA, are asking what what wrong and who is responsible. Unfortunately, the IAEA cannot compel the isotope plant's operators to provide answers, just as the LMP cannot force the governing party to answer any questions or take any action. The IAEA can ask for an inspection, but has no authority to
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:26:34 PM

  • authority to compel the plant to do anything. Horse. Barn. Door.
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:27:21 PM

  • @Andrea C. , there you go!
    by Peter 11/18/2011 1:29:04 PM

  • @hudebnik @lillymunster I will be relying on phone but tonight at least we will be on a site with wifi ...that is if van turns up in time
    by elainekirk 11/18/2011 1:32:49 PM

  • @Peter If not even the almighty Hungarian nation can run a nuclear program, nobody on earth can do it!!! I'm being sarcas..., no, totally serious, here. :)
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:33:30 PM

  • Have to run for a bit. Will try to pull long term (years) of rad data for the plant area when I get back.
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 1:33:50 PM

  • Looking forward to reading all the informational loot everyone has found. It's 5:30 a.m. and I'm finally going to bed. Huje Magyarok :(((.
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:38:40 PM

  • @Edano: you may already know about this link, but it provides up-to-the-minute information on the current status of every single reactor in Japan: translate.google.com
    by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 1:44:58 PM

  • @Andrea C. good night Andrea sleep well and thank you
    by elainekirk 11/18/2011 1:53:05 PM

  • Does anyone remember what part of Budapest the plant is in? I know it is edge of town, just not sure what direction
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 2:19:49 PM

  • Going through one site for Budapest I am finding blank graphs for 2009 and part of 2010. I don't know if this means it was offline or if there was nothing to read and it is actual proof of leak?
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 2:32:11 PM

  • Sept 2009 shows the following data but then rest of the month has no readings. So did the graph not write or are these readings too low to show?

    2009-07-18 16:50 2009-07-18 17:50 1.40E+02
    2009-07-18 22:50 2009-07-18 23:50 1.30E+02
    2009-07-19 04:50 2009-07-19 05:50 1.29E+02
    2009-07-19 16:50 2009-07-19 17:50 1.28E+02
    2009-07-20 04:50 2009-07-20 05:50 1.29E+02
    2009-07-20 10:50 2009-07-20 11:50 1.28E+02

    I think I answered my own question. Readings for Aug 2011 are in the same general number factor range so it must ignore writing a graph if there is incomplete data. The one site I am looking at is showing consistent between 120-140 nSv/h at Budapest HM IV site
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 2:33:20 PM

  • I'm pretty much through the kindle book fukushima meltdown book that was translated, I will post excerpts when I have time.

    could copy/paste sections but it is worthwhile reading.




    Not much new in the way of describing what happened but the impression I get is that Fukushima is NOTHING compared to what else could blow up in Japan, especially the nuke plant near tokyo and all the fuel at the reprocessing site that has never worked.
    by artnuke 11/18/2011 2:35:30 PM

  • Not finding any significant changes at all around Budapest over the last year plus jumping back to 2001,2009,2008 looking for lower readings. Readings seem to be consistent in the level of nSv/h. I am seeing some more frequent spikes in 2010 or more accurately the spikes have more density in them. I checked 4 locations N-S-E-W around the outskirts of Budapest.
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 2:44:31 PM

  • fukumeltdown excerpt scientist predicted syndrome
    Professor at Kobe University) predicted that a nuclear power plant accident like the present one was possible, and issued warnings from the late ‘90s. People had been warning of the danger of earthquake-caused nuclear accidents since the 1970s, but Ishibashi, from the specialized standpoint of seismology, proposed a new concept, which he called genpatsu shinsai [Translator’s note: this expression literally means Nuclear-Power-Plant-Earthquake Disaster. As there is no English expression for this (the phenomenon itself is new) in this work we will render it as genpatsu shinsai syndrome. See the Translators’ Foreword.]. By this he meant a situation in which, as the damage from the earthquake widens, the situation is made doubly worse by nuclear radiation damage.

    Hirose, Takashi (2011-09-19). Fukushima Meltdown: The World's First Earthquake-Tsunami-Nuclear Disaster (Kindle Locations 178-183). Takashi Hirose. Kindle Edition.
    by artnuke 11/18/2011 2:44:34 PM

  • Going to post a group of graphs from one Budapest site over time. I changed them to polyline graphs, easier to read. What does it mean when the density of the readings is less?
    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 2:49:55 PM

  • 2008 jan

    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 3:00:26 PM

  • 2009 jan

    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 3:00:45 PM

  • jan 2011

    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 3:01:15 PM

  • 2011 nov

    by lillymunster 11/18/2011 3:01:36 PM

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