Japan Earthquake

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So if this plant had a slow leak? The one article mentions it has been a long term leak that got worse after a repair attempt this summer. That kind of trend I think we are seeing in the monitoring. But why did it take until now to set off alarms all over Europe? Did the amount finally just hit the detection threshold as it did jumps in recent weeks? Is there another source adding to the total iodine load that combined was just enough to hit the detection threshold?
by lillymunster 11/18/2011 3:04:25 PM

@lillymunster One of my best friends here in Albufeira is Hungarian. I can have him translate documents if you need. Don't try to translate from Hungarian in Google. It won't work.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 3:48:52 PM

Curious note. A Portuguese news agency reported today that the new neutrino experience at CERN has confirmed the previous allegation that neutrinos can travel faster than the speed of light. The CERN official website seems to be offline and the ARVIX official website, where this new report has been published, requires a password to access information. I'll check it out again later.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 5:10:42 PM

by M.I.A. 11/18/2011 5:21:33 PM

@Pedro Jesus Reuters.com has the following, I'm still a skeptic on this one. www.reuters.com Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:43am EST: UPDATE 2- "New test finds neutrinos still faster than light. Suggests Einstein's relativity theory may be wrong. New test supports startling findings of previous experiment. Experts still sceptical, say more independent checks needed"
by RonD 11/18/2011 5:23:47 PM

@RonD That resembles the article on Portuguese Publico.pt. I haven't been able to confirm it yet because the official websites where that report was allegedly published aren't accessible. I'm a natural skeptic myself, but in my times of university studying Physics and Chemistry I had the opportunity to meet some very intelligent physics theorists that were convinced there was something very wrong with Einstein's theory and that in the next 20 years someone would be able to prove it. This was back in the mid nineties. I'm not sure if any of them is involved in this experiment at CERN but I know there are some Portuguese scientists involved. It's exciting, though. It could completely shift the physics paradigm and open doors for new theories that may bring humanity closer to deciphering the secrets of the universe.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 5:37:16 PM

ooh i hate to read such things as einstein's theory is wrong. newton wasn't wrong, watson and crick, darwin and bohr were not wrong either, all their theories have been proven million fold. there may be unknown exceptions under certrain circumstances, but they are not basically wrong. they should not write that.
by Edano 11/18/2011 5:39:01 PM

@Pedro Jesus some more info, link to download pdf of paper arxiv.org nature newsblog blogs.nature.com
by RonD 11/18/2011 5:43:07 PM

yes, they confirmed the first result.
by Edano 11/18/2011 5:43:46 PM

opps, had a comma arxiv.org
by RonD 11/18/2011 5:44:16 PM

@Edano None of those other scientists were contested like Einstein has been for decades. And something is definitely wrong with either Einstein's theory or our understanding of his theory. Things don't match up... there's still an immense gap between gravity and the other three known forces of nature. And Einstein was already wrong once, unlike the others you mentioned and he himself admitted his mistake.

@ Ron Thanks.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 5:47:43 PM

@Edano I do understand and share your concern, although I've been preparing myself to accept that everything I was taught in the university is fundamentally flawed.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 5:49:19 PM

It won't be a surprise as much as a shock within the scientific community, anyway. Since the eighties, a lot of experiments have suggested this possibility, although they were usually dismissed because there was no way of testing the veracity. It was only a matter of time for technology to allow such an experiment.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 5:54:34 PM

I have a blog page on Xenon-133 and 135, here is the link
fukunukeblog.blogspot.com
by artnuke 11/18/2011 5:55:31 PM

a complete mirror copy of the Caltech presentation and massive slide presentation link is here on the fukunuke blog
fukunukeblog.blogspot.com
by artnuke 11/18/2011 5:56:45 PM

Back briefly. @Pedro. Will let you know if we run into anything in Hungarian that needs translation.

Has anyone seen anything more on the Budapest iodine thing?
by lillymunster 11/18/2011 5:57:29 PM

Awake again :) @Elaine - the KFKI isotopes plant is located in Budapest's 12th district. This is on the west side of the Danube aka "Buda", which is the leafier, hillier, wealthier part of Budapest. The exact neighbourhood in the 12th district is Csillerberc. The Normafa neighbourhood is directly north. It is on the due west outskirts of Budapest, but it is a magnet for many people in Budapest because of the unparalled greenery and outdoor urban activities. It is particularly an appealing area for children, with the long-established youth camp, the children's railway northern terminus, and the more recent "challenge park" outdoor amusement centre. The neighbourhood has a large number of nuclear-related enterprises, an easy walk from where core nuclear scientists live. The brains and brass of Hungary's nuclear power program work here. Of course, they get to play in the most beautiful, natural and exclusive area of town!
by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 6:10:22 PM

@lillymunster Use my e-mail if you do need anything. jesustiger@gmail.com
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 6:11:11 PM

@Elaine, sorry, that's CSILLEBERC. I'm also missing an accent, probably, 'cause I'm lazy. :)
by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 6:12:55 PM

@Pedro Jesus thanks - grabbed the email addy
by lillymunster 11/18/2011 6:13:41 PM

@lillymunster I use that one for everything on the web: Facebook, Google services, Youtube and Twitter.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 6:15:08 PM

@Andrea C. Thanks - that will help when I am pulling data off the Budapest stations.

Have to run again will be back in a couple hours.
by lillymunster 11/18/2011 6:15:34 PM

@lillymunster - not awake yet, I meant to address you @ Pedro Jesus - Hungarians are mad translators!! You have an asset there. The problem may be finding decent content in the Hungarian media to translate, the coverage is outrageously minimal and uninformative. But for technical stuff/past publications and internet searches, fluency in Hungarian is very, very helpful (wish I was at that level).
by Andrea C. 11/18/2011 6:20:31 PM

@all Romania's Cernavoda N-plant To Temporarily Shut down One Reactor on Nov 20 BUCHAREST (Romania), November 18 (SeeNews) - Romania's sole nuclear power plant Cernavoda will shut down the first of its two 700 megawatt reactors on November 20 for a minor component replacement procedure, the plant's operator, Nuclearelectrica, said on Friday. seenews.com
by smoss 11/18/2011 6:21:13 PM

U.S. Government Glossed Over Cancer Concerns As It Rolled Out Airport X-Ray Scanners "Using the linear model, even such trivial amounts increase the number of cancer cases. Rebecca Smith-Bindman, a radiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, estimated that the backscatters would lead to only six cancers over the course of a lifetime among the approximately 100 million people who fly every year. David Brenner, director of Columbia University’s Center for Radiological Research, reached a higher number — potentially 100 additional cancers every year." www.propublica.org
by Ian 11/18/2011 6:59:11 PM

@Andrea C. Well my Hungarian friend is 49 years old and has lived at least half of his life in Hungary. He is very fluent in Hungarian and German (lived in German for many years) and he speaks pretty good English. His Portuguese is his weakness, but I'm trying to help him on that department. He loves poetry and Hungarian poetry is of the most complex in the world (alike Arabic poetry) so news translations will be a piece of cake for him. Just let me know when you need help. =)
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 7:00:42 PM

Hi Scribblers. Thanks for your continued work. Did a little reading here this morning and didn't see this mentioned yet, and thought I'd link it. Probe into whether a cyber attack was launched against a water pump in Illinois. www.cnn.com
by momof3 11/18/2011 7:00:53 PM

@momof3 Good one, momo, I missed that one on the CNN highlights (app for Google Chrome
).
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 7:04:04 PM

No problem Pedro. Thought the scribblers might be interested. Saw this one as well (new concerns over contaminated rice grown outside the exclusion zone) www.cnn.com
by momof3 11/18/2011 7:05:57 PM

They should use separate computer systems at sensitive facilities such as that.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 7:06:07 PM

@momof3 Yes, the news on the rice has just hit the highlights a few minutes ago. It has been discussed here for a few days with links from other sources so I chose not to link it up. Thanks a lot. =)
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 7:08:20 PM

Sorry Pedro. I missed it while scrolling through. Thanks again for all of your continued work!
by momof3 11/18/2011 7:09:15 PM

@momof3 Any contribution is welcome. Well done. Nothing wrong with updating. It's hard to keep track of all the good information our Scribbler mates provide at a daily basis.
by Pedro Jesus 11/18/2011 7:11:51 PM

by Ian 11/18/2011 7:25:07 PM

will a mod boot the org page, bitte?
by Panserbjorne9 11/18/2011 8:02:00 PM

booted ORG
by lillymunster 11/18/2011 8:09:27 PM

thanks nancy
by Panserbjorne9 11/18/2011 8:11:43 PM

The cyber attack on a water pump that Momof3 mentioned earlier. Those are really worrying. The US govt admitted a year or so ago that the same kind of remote attack could be done to kill the power grid. While that is inconvenient to anyone trying to get things done. A wide scale blackout around a nuclear plant? We have seen what happens when they lose all their incoming power sources
by lillymunster 11/18/2011 8:12:47 PM

nobody mentioned the green glow the bags have. Second photo like that. :-) i2.cdn.turner.com
by lillymunster via I2.cdn.turner 11/18/2011 8:20:04 PM

Only here for a quick minute or two. What happened to the 'nuclear event' icons on the Alert incident map? All are removed... and swept under the table?
by MaryW 11/18/2011 9:37:34 PM

So, this must mean no more radioactive iodine over Europe...nothing but clean air.
by MaryW 11/18/2011 9:39:00 PM

FYI: my lighthouse avatar from my 'storm-chasers site' pops up when I am in this particular server :)
by MaryW 11/18/2011 9:41:22 PM

Radioactive iodine leaked from Hungarian institute

Hungary says the source of radioactive iodine detected in Europe over the past few weeks was probably from an isotope maker in Budapest.

Authorities in the Czech Republic, Austria and Russia measured very low levels of iodine-131 in their atmospheres from late October to November. The International Atomic Energy Agency along with those countries conducted an investigation for the source of the iodine.

On Thursday, the IAEA issued a statement saying that Hungary's nuclear authority told the agency that iodine-131 had been released from a private institute from September 8th to November 16th. The institute produces radioisotopes for healthcare, research and industry.

The Hungarian government also issued a statement on the same day, saying there are no public health concerns because the leaked iodine is within the permissible amount set by the country.

Hungary and the IAEA are continuing the investigation and working out measures to prevent similar incidents from occurring.

Friday, November 18, 2011 07:13 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 11/18/2011 9:56:45 PM

The IAEA declared is "probably" the research reactor in Budapest. They shut it down the other day. Still need to pull rad station data to see if it makes a difference.
by lillymunster 11/18/2011 9:57:15 PM

Thanks U2. We are experiencing our first snowfall, so I'm out-and-about doing errands and practicing my snow driving skills. I'll be back later. thanks again
by MaryW 11/18/2011 10:00:40 PM