@Edano If something gets mentioned about Thorium or nuclear in general on a forum they will show up in big numbers all at the same time of day and try to shout down everyone. They are also conspicuously light on facts. The article we published I found amusing. They were attacking the author as being clueless but all the facts cited were from reliable sources in the scientific community. I just put them all in one place.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:31:02 PM
@lillymunster we germans are way behind in e-car technology. our carmakers concentrated on luxury brands and completely ignored the trend. now it is getting better, even bmw and porsche have an e-model out, but the japanese are 10 years ahead.
by Edano 11/19/2011 3:32:00 PM
@Pedro Jesus It is a hoax but it is a huge hoax in the US with a very noisy fan base who are trying to get energy policy changed. It is confusing average readers because they see the thorium BS and take it as true. I spent a week convincing the hubby and a couple of his co-workers it was all bull. The one who was convinced it was the great new hope was a very die hard fringe conservative.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:32:57 PM
@Edano Another issue in the US with cars is that we have screwed up import rules. VW can only import a small number of TDI diesels each year. We couldn't find one to buy anywhere in the midwest. All of VW's other high mileage cars are not sold here. Maybe they thought the US wouldn't buy them? VW has concentrated on their luxury models here
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:34:33 PM
@lillymunster @Pedro Jesus so what's the point behind the hoax ? who manages it ? and with what intention ?
by Edano 11/19/2011 3:34:34 PM
not a century, i meant 10 years. :)
by Edano 11/19/2011 3:36:35 PM
@Edano It would be worth investigating and finding who is pushing it and how. following the thorium fanboys would probably get some leads. I think the goals are to get favorable view of the nuke industry and to funnel money into these companies that either want to build thorium or scam people.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:36:38 PM
There were some big flaws in the CNN article. Both the Chinese and India have dumped their thorium programs. But whomever is pushing the idea says India and China are either running it or near completion.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:38:06 PM
Google thorium on google.com a bunch of articles touting it come up. Some may give leads to spokespeople and groups.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:38:59 PM
THis has some groups
energyfromthorium.comby lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:39:30 PM
@lillymunster the german car models sold in the us or china are different from ours here. they (audi, vw, mercedes) produce special desins for the foreign markets.
by Edano 11/19/2011 3:40:13 PM
@Pedro Jesus my only worry is them creating a false public support that would waste money or pull the energy debate in the wrong direction. Or worse yet get funding that would be wasted on research that goes nowhere. The big problem here is they are throwing off the energy debate. People hear thorium is our savior and dump ideas on renewables. So that may be the real goal is a false flag to get people to ignore the need for renewables. This could easily lead back to the oil and nuclear industry as nothing more than a tactic.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:41:16 PM
@Edano yes and the US market cars don't do justice to what VW actually has to offer. the US really needs to revamp our import and emissions laws. If we adopted EU emissions laws we would have better efficiency. They are solely to protect US automakers
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:42:31 PM
@Pedro Jesus we have an article on the group site, it is still in the most popular. It was great bait for all the thorium supporters. They showed up like a pack of pihrana to attack the article. :-)
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:43:19 PM
@lillymunster the share of us cars in europe is about 0%.... only for real fans.
by Edano 11/19/2011 3:44:04 PM
I think the best efforts vs. thorium is to make sure the general public understands it is a go nowhere scam.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:44:09 PM
@Edano Considering they don't fit down old side road on top of lousy mileage etc.. The hubby had an old 1970's Dodge military pick up when he lived in Manheim. Got it stuck a few times where he had to back down roads. Top Gear on BBC has too much fun with US cars.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:46:09 PM
Fukushima rad meters fail accuracy tests
mdn.mainichi.jpby lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:48:40 PM
@Pedro Jesus the big issue is catalytic converters they ruin gas mileage. If cars had much better gas mileage they put less total emission into the air. So we are bound by 1970's technology
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:50:55 PM
greetings to all... bafck on for a biy
by dean 11/19/2011 3:55:33 PM
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by dean 11/19/2011 3:55:37 PM
@dean Hi Dean!
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:56:19 PM
rehab sure keeps me going @ lilly.,, whewww.. hardly any time for pleasure tie
by dean 11/19/2011 3:57:16 PM
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by dean 11/19/2011 3:57:17 PM
I have the budapest radiation graphs done. Yesterday back to Dec 2009. They show a gradual change over time in the volume? The average nSv/h generally stays in a range with spikes but the readings get more dense on the graph. I don't know what that means but there is a visual change, Here is the link
www.simplyinfo.orgby lillymunster 11/19/2011 3:59:53 PM
@Pedro Jesus Really? Hmm. Another meme that is wrong being passed around the US? :-)
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 4:00:36 PM
Don't believe the spin on thorium being a greener nuclear option www.guardian.co.ukIn his reading, thorium is merely a way of deflecting attention and criticism from the dangers of the uranium fuel cycle and excusing the pumping of more money into the industry.
'Even if thorium technology does progress to the point where it might be commercially viable, it will face the same problems as conventional nuclear: it is not renewable or sustainable and cannot effectively connect to smart grids. The technology is not tried and tested, and none of the main players is interested. Thorium reactors are no more than a distraction.'
by Edano 11/19/2011 4:07:55 PM
@Pedro Jesus California is always more strict and ahead of the rest of the country. They have been trying to push the rest of the country on various reforms. Since they are one of the largest states they do have the ability to sometimes help change policy. They also have massive pollution problems.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 4:08:15 PM
@Pedro Jesus There is still a story at least in the US as to who is behind the social push. It is bad enough here it would be worth exposing so people know they are being scammed.
by lillymunster 11/19/2011 4:10:39 PM
Above this, there are other serious problems that could occur with thorium fuelled reactors. A wellknown example is the thorium high-temperature reactor (THTR 300) in the German municipal
Hamm/Uentrop. The reactor has been out of operation since 1986. Besides the reactor building, the nuclear power plant has been demolished. Hamm/Uentrop was closed, because the company in
charge of the plant was unable to control it properly and covered up numerous technical problems, such as serious problems with replacing the thorium fuel spheres.
For those reasons one has to conclude that thorium is not a serious alternative for uranium. Even when India is able to solve the many hooks and eyes it would take many decades, if ever, before the full thorium cycle is large and reliable enough to be ‘commercial’, while the current problems with nuclear fission remain to exist. Just like ‘conventional’ nuclear power the technology can’t play any significant role in tackling the urgent problems connected with climate change.
www.laka.orgby Edano 11/19/2011 4:14:37 PM
the last study says that the thorium enrichment (in india) affords three different reactors.
India: Thorium Cycle Scheme
reactor(s) fuel / blanket product(s)
Stage 1 PHWR(CANDU) natural uranium plutonium
Stage 2 Fast Breeder Reactor (FBR) plutonium / uranium-233 and
thorium and uranium plutonium-239
Stage 3 Advanced Heavy Water thorium-232 uranium-233
Reactors (AHWR) uranium-233 thorium-232
Though not yet achieved the first stage, forerunner India has almost reached the second stage of this three-staged fuel cycle.
by Edano 11/19/2011 4:17:40 PM
@lillymunster Sad but true. Anyway, I've just messaged my friend. This is the company he is currently working for, according to his Facebook profile. I haven't seen him for a while. www.enercon-eng.com
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