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  • is there a discussion about nuke energy ?
    by Edano 12/17/2011 1:53:08 PM

  • Speculation circulates privately, but one sees little about Fukushima in the English-language media here. There was a lot of coverage immediately after 3/11, but silence then, a relative siloence that strongly indicates something is too sensitive to report. In any event, Koreans are suspicious, though I've met no one with plans to flee the country. Also, if the dispersal maps that I've seen online are any indication, North America seems to be getting more radioactivity than Korea is.
    by David 12/17/2011 1:57:30 PM

  • I'm thinking of getting a Geiger counter and taking readings from produce at markets in Seoul.
    by David 12/17/2011 2:00:20 PM

  • @David and the safety of korea's own nukes ? is it too sensitive ?
    by Edano 12/17/2011 2:01:01 PM

  • Especially seafood: a big squid-fishing fleet operates in the strait between Fukuoka and Busan. About Korea's reactors, I'm not sure. There has been talk of closing some of them, but I don't know if that has actually been done.
    by David 12/17/2011 2:03:57 PM

  • Interesting assessment on Reuters: Japan's post-tsunami revival plan reaches tipping point www.reuters.com
    I suppose forty years of nuclear reactor cleanup work will bring jobs to Fukushima. But will the workers want to live there?
    by Peter 12/17/2011 2:21:11 PM

  • Is Manning's trial in public court or military court? There is big difference.
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 2:32:04 PM

  • The reason there is no news is every media outlet worldwide has parroted the cold shutdown nonsense. All I have seen the last 24 hours. :-( The mainstream media is lazy. Only a few news outlets included anything about cold shutdown being in question.
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 2:36:19 PM

  • 1.bp.blogspot.com Ran into that the other day here
    oahutrading.blogspot.com Hmmm, Any thoughts?

    by Ian via 1.bp.blogspot 12/17/2011 2:37:43 PM

  • Here's where the Unit-3 video closes in on a couple silver tubes : www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgjHMUVOEY#t=3m45s
    by Ian 12/17/2011 2:40:19 PM

  • Try again: http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgjHMUVOEY#t=3m45s
    by Ian 12/17/2011 2:40:35 PM

  • Lol, and again: www.youtube.com
    by Ian 12/17/2011 2:40:55 PM

  • "Catastrophe looms as toxic 13-tonne Mars probe falls to Earth" (Steve Connor) www.independent.co.uk
    by Pedro Jesus 12/17/2011 2:43:34 PM

  • @Ian the photo compares a laboratory type sample of uranium and a piece of metal in the rubble. Apples and oranges.
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 2:43:50 PM

  • @Ian , welll we have looked at similar pieces before. If they were parts of fuel rods, we have not found a clear indication yet where they could come from.
    by Peter 12/17/2011 2:44:52 PM

  • If the plant premises are dusted in snow during the winter, we shall see where the cold shutdown is not so cold, ;)
    by Peter 12/17/2011 2:47:10 PM

  • @lillymunster, the photo compares one silver-metal tube to another silver-metal tube.
    by Ian 12/17/2011 2:47:40 PM

  • @Ian right but the one in the uranium photo is just showing uranium pellets in a tube. It isn't specifically a fuel rod cladding tube. We do have lots of photos of those though
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 2:48:44 PM

  • This reminds me that we have seen any heat maps lately.
    by Peter 12/17/2011 2:50:05 PM

  • @lillymunster It will be decided within a couple of weeks. I don't think they will decide for a full Court Martial due to the huge media coverage and public support. The most likely outcomes are public court or a internal inquiry which would dismiss the possibility of a major penalty. He might get away with a security clearance revoke and a compulsory suspension of his military status without any jail term. Or he could have to spend some years behind a desk performing no clearance administrative work. Lets wait and see.
    by Pedro Jesus 12/17/2011 2:50:15 PM

  • @Peter, like perhaps they come from a fuel-tube supply? It certainly doesn't suggest spent fuel exploded, but perhaps that it was disrupted. I still suspect a containment explosion probably tore through the upper part of the SFP gate, accounting for why the water level as been so low.
    by Ian 12/17/2011 2:50:30 PM

  • @lillymunster, Arnie held a zirconium tube and it was black.
    by Ian 12/17/2011 2:51:53 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus They were pretty brutal on this guy and people saying it violated torture statues. I am hoping it ends up in public court. There were initial claims they were going to try him for treason. That sounds excessive to me. If they are going to start trying people for treason there is a long list of higher ranking people than him that should go first that have done far far worse and never got in any trouble
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 2:52:51 PM

  • www.theodoregray.com Zirconium fuel tubes. Source: www.theodoregray.com
    by Ian 12/17/2011 2:55:18 PM

  • @Ian assemblies are brought on site completed and they do no maintenance on them on site. It would be a good assumption the fuel gate was damaged since that side of the containment cap is known to be a weak spot. If any solid pieces of fuel rods are strewn they would be out of the SFP is my guess.
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 2:55:20 PM

  • @Ian there are a bunch of pics assemblies in my photo site.
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 2:57:01 PM

  • @Ian , we shall only find out, once tepco unloads the SFP. When you look at the pictured tepco report documenting the cleanup effort yesterday, you note that the work close to the reactors is all carried out with remote controlled machines. Other work could not be undertaken because of high rad levels. They made most progress at unit 4 which is contaminated the least. The cleanup actually is in its infancy.
    by Peter 12/17/2011 2:58:21 PM

  • Nyander Guard has been given a rescue permit. They have experience rescuing animals in the evac zone and will hopefully have more success.
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 3:01:24 PM

  • Keep in mind the vast amounts of nitrogen tepco pumps into the containments. This means that tepco must fear that hydrogen still is produced.
    by Peter 12/17/2011 3:02:16 PM

  • Something of note on the fuel rod debris question. When we first were looking for them we had the official statement that rods had been found up to a mile or more from the plant. We also did not know the status of unit 3's containment cap and didn't for months. Now we have pretty solid evidence it is intact from recent videos that showed the concrete plug still in place at least on one side. So if we had fuel rods ejected they came out of 3's SFP. I certainly would not rule that out. It also makes me wonder what risk is involved in removing spent fuel? Can it do anything dangerous in a depleted state?
    by lillymunster 12/17/2011 3:04:31 PM

  • At least at unit 1 and its newly-devised tent and air filtration system, tepco must know what gases and what radionuclides are emitted from the building into the air and their quantities.
    by Peter 12/17/2011 3:06:15 PM

  • @lillymunster , that depends on how long they were stored. They are highly radioactive in any case.
    by Peter 12/17/2011 3:12:19 PM

  • @lillymunster, keep in mind the report said "neutro sources" not fuel rods as has been said and I repeated too. I believe "neutro sources" could be rods or just hot particles, right Peter?

    Here's the quote from the NRC's confidential assessment back early on in the Spring, it's a speculative inference from something heard from Tepco: "Fuel pool is heating up but is adequately cooled, and fuel may have been ejected from the pool (based on information from TEPCO of neutron sources found up to 1 mile from the units, and very high dose rate material that had to be bulldozed over between Units 3 and 4)." Page 10: www.wdr.de
    by Ian 12/17/2011 3:12:46 PM

  • Meant: "neutron sources"
    by Ian 12/17/2011 3:13:19 PM

  • @lillymunster Sorry, Lilly, was doing some house work. Well, I hope Private Mannings case will be a eye opener. In my opinion, if he would have to stand trial for treason, his superior ranking officers should have to also. Whoever gave a private clearance to handle alleged classified documents of national security significance must be accounted for. What is probably going to happen is, because they don't want to involve higher ranking officers, they will consider the documents not of country's security significance and settle for a administrative punishment (which does not include jail term). But lets wait and see where it goes.
    by Pedro Jesus 12/17/2011 4:06:38 PM

  • I have been searching, with no luck, for information presented in the videos presented after the 'S.O.S. Fukushima' which I posted last night. Specifically: the NHK report on 'Russian Bombers circle Japan' and 'U.S. Prepared to Bomb Fukushima-Updated July12.2011' in the Economic Newspaper article. Looks like all has been removed on the internet, so this is still preserved on this link. salem-news.com
    by MaryW 12/17/2011 5:46:08 PM


  • Please share, save children.
    On 17 Dec 2011, I measured radiation in front of Minami-katsushika High School,

    Katsushika-ku, Tokyo, Japan
    The monitorinig place is 230 km from Fukushima Nuclear power plant, and only 10 km for the center of Tokyo.
    The monitor indicates 0.18 micro Sievert per hour in air, at a thoracic level. 2.35 on sand on school road.
    There is TEPCO substation next to the high school.
    Measuring instrument is made of Ukraine, ECOTEST MKS-05.
    2.35μSv/h 東京都 南葛飾高等学校 路上の砂

    by Ian 12/17/2011 6:23:47 PM

  • Shikata ga nai, everybody

    It's in the air. And water.

    SHIKATA GA NAI, EVERYBODY

    By David Ritchie

    A Japanese expression keeps running through my mind these days: shikata ga nai.

    It means “Nothing can be done” or “It can’t be helped.”

    It also helps explain why the Japanese public seems so resigned toward the worst meltdown ever, at Fukushima.

    Under shikata ga nai, Japanese in adversity do nothing to fight their situation. They just accept it and endure it as best they can.

    Time and again in Japan’s history, one sees shikata ga nai in action – or inaction, if you prefer.

    After the great Kanto earthquake that destroyed much of Tokyo in 1923, the common response was shikata ga nai. It can’t be helped. You can’t fight an earthquake.

    Same for the atomic bombings in 1945. Shikata ga nai again. It can’t be helped. This is war.

    Now, once again, as symptoms of irradiation appear, shikata ga nai.

    Metallic taste in your mouth, symptomatic of radiation exposure? Shikata ga nai.

    Persistent sore throat? Fatigue? Any other symptoms consistent with fallout all around? Shikata ga nai.

    It’s a passive attitude. A fatalistic attitude, too.

    But is it necessarily the wrong attitude?

    You see, I’ve had a metallic taste in my mouth for months since Fukushima. Persistent sore throat and fatigue, too.

    Meanwhile, a dialogue goes on within me. One half of me tells the other, “You’re getting irradiated. Aren’t you going to do something?”

    The second half replies, “What to do? Shikata ga nai, you know.”

    Then the first half of me, the do-something side, is silent … because the shikata ga nai side is right.

    I’m helpless. So are you.

    We can’t put ruined reactors back together. We can’t recover tons of radioactive water from the sea, or sweep countless hot particles from the air, or pluck strontium out of our bones. This suddenly more radioactive world is here to stay.

    Sorry, but those are realities. We have to live with them. Many of us, most likely, will die of them.

    Unfair? Not really.

    You see, we tend to die by what we live for. We lived for cheap, plentiful electric power. Through nuclear reactors, we got it.

    Now a lot of us going to die from it … through reactors that failed.

    Get used to it. At least, that’s the advice I give myself. Shikata ga nai.

    You may ask, “Aren’t you doing anything?!”

    Yes. I’m focusing less on this life and more on preparations for the next. But this isn’t the place for that discussion.

    Meanwhile, as the hot stuff spreads, think about shikata ga nai.

    There’s not much else we can do, is there?

    ©David Ritchie 2011

    (David Ritchie lives and works in Seoul, Korea.Contact: kwriter [at] asia.com.)
    by MaryW 12/17/2011 6:56:46 PM

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  • by MaryW 12/17/2011 7:36:27 PM

  • NUCLEAR CRISIS--9 MONTHS ON / Focus on radiation screenings ended up claiming patients' lives
    Dec 17, 2011 N-plant procedure ignored? / Workers 'didn't check' reactor pressure day before explosion A government panel has found that workers at the No. 3 reactor of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant stopped operation of a high-pressure core cooling system without checking if a substitute pumping system would work on March 13, one day before a hydrogen explosion occurred there, sources said. www.yomiuri.co.jp @All For your (in)digestion...
    by M.I.A. 12/17/2011 7:38:02 PM

  • Sorry, left out a link: www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by M.I.A. 12/17/2011 7:39:14 PM

  • Mag: Curium and plutonium outside Fukushima plant sign of nuclear explosion at Reactor No. 3 — “Broken spent nuclear fuel rods may have been scattered around”
    enenews.com
    by MaryW 12/17/2011 7:43:41 PM





  • Stomach flu outbreak at Japan nuclear plant (AP)

    17 December 2011

    1/1
    Dozens of workers at Japan’s tsunami-hit nuclear power plant have come down with symptoms of stomach flu, halting a radioactive waste cleanup operation.
    TOKYO — Dozens of workers at Japan’s tsunami-hit nuclear power plant have come down with symptoms of stomach flu, halting a radioactive waste cleanup operation.

    The operator of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant said Saturday that a norovirus outbreak is suspected. Fifty-two workers assigned to the effort have been treated at a hospital over the past three days. Three of the workers have tested positive for the virus, a common form of flu.

    The revelation comes a day after Japan declared stability at the plant, marking a milestone nine months after the March tsunami caused the worst nuclear crisis since Chernobyl.

    The plant operator said the loss of the workers does not affect the plant’s essential reactor cooling functions.
    by MaryW 12/17/2011 8:04:42 PM

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