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  • @MaryW, we have enough evidence to make a solid case for a coverup. We have rough footage of explosive / fiery events that produced plumes totally inconsistent with the plume-shapes of the known events and that were reported from the footage we've found to be different events. And yet these events and their footage are not to be found anywhere else than forgotten or disappeared youtube video. The Unit-4 footage was flagged down, but I save it. Then this Indian-new footage is new to me today.
    by Ian 1/2/2012 3:49:12 AM

  • @Ian I made the mistake by not producing hard copies, never thinking about them removing this news.
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 3:51:32 AM

  • Conditions of Fukushima Dai‐ichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 4 ( As of 12:00 May 15, 2011 ) In periodic inspection outage when the earthquake occurred
    Spent Fuel Pool Water Temperature - °C Condition: Indicator failure
    March 14th March 15th March 15th March 16th
    04:08 Water temperature in the Spent Fuel Pool (SFP), 84°C 06:14 Confirmed the partial damage of wall in the 4th floor.
    09:38 Fire occurred in the 3rd floor. (12:25 extinguished) 05:45 Fire occurred. TEPCO couldn’t confirm any fire on the ground.
    (06:15) March 20th March 20th March 21st March 21st around 15:00 Work for laying cable to Power Center was completed. March 22nd 10:35 Power Center received electricity. <Water spray by Concrete Pump Truck (Seawater)>
    08:21~09:40 Water spray over SFP by Self‐Defense Force around 18:30~19:46 Water spray over SFP by Self‐Defense Force 06:37~08:41 Water spray over SFP by Self‐Defense Force
    No fuel inside the Reactor Core
    March 22nd 17:17~20:32, March 23rd 10:00~13:02, March 24th 14:36~17:30, March 25th 19:05~22:07, March 27th 16:55~19:25
    March 25th 06:05~10:20 Sea water injection to SFP via the Fuel Pool Cooling Line (FPC)
    March 29th 11:50 Lighting in the Central Control Room was recovered. April 11th around 17:16 An earthquake occurred (at Hamadori in Fukushima
    Prefecture). April 12th 12:00~13:04 Sampled the water in SFP. April 19th 10:23 Completed the work of strengthening connection of the power
    supplies between Units 1‐2 and Units 3‐4. April 22nd Measured the water level of SFP by a gauge hung on Concrete Pump
    Truck (62m class). April 30th 11:34 Completed reinforcement work of the power supply both Units 3,
    4. (Increasing the voltage from 6.6kv to 66kv) May 9th Started installation work of the supporting structure for the floor of SFP
    < Water spray by Concrete Pump Truck (Fresh water)> ... May 9th 16:05~19:05 (16:11 ~18:38 Hydrazine was also injected) , May 13th 16:04~19:04 (16:20 ~18:41 Hydrazine was also injected) www.nisa.meti.go.jp **This reports a fire in reactor #4 on March 15th and another fire on the 16th. On the 16th, TEPCO states, no fire on the GROUND ?
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 4:18:33 AM

  • I did't realize that post was that long. @moderator. if too long shorten or delete
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 4:36:31 AM

  • Unit 4. March 15. 2011 '...a fire at about 5:45 a.m. Wednesday in the northeast corner of the building that contains the unit 4 reactor....A fire burned for two hours Tuesday in the pool containing spent nuclear fuel rods at the unit 4 reactor. News services quoted a government official as saying the pool could still be near the boiling point ... a risky plan to spray water from a helicopter to prevent new fires in a pool of spent fuel at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant.' www.washingtonpost.com
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 4:41:03 AM

  • Explosion at UNIT 4 Reactor. " On the morning of 15 March, Secretary Edano announced that according to TEPCO, at one location near reactor Units 3 and 4, radiation at an equivalent dose rate of 400 mSv/h was detected. This might have been due to debris from the EXPLOSION in UNIT 4. ... The walls (unit1) were relatively intact compared to later explosions at Units 3 and 4. On 15 March, an explosion damaged the fourth floor rooftop area of the unit 4 reactor. Japan's nuclear safety agency NISA reported two large holes in a wall of the outer building of unit 4 after the explosion. It was reported that water in the spent fuel pool might be boiling. Radiation inside the unit 4 control room prevented workers from staying there permanently. .." en.wikipedia.org
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 5:17:14 AM

  • Mr. Jaczko’s most startling assertion was that there was now little or no water in the pool storing spent nuclear fuel at the No. 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, leaving fuel rods stored there exposed and bleeding radiation into the atmosphere.
    ...The spent fuel pools can be even more dangerous than the active fuel rods, as they are not contained in thick steel containers like the reactor core. U.S. Calls Radiation ‘Extremely High;’ Sees Japan Nuclear Crisis Worsening. March 16.2011. www.nytimes.com
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 5:31:56 AM

  • by MaryW 1/2/2012 5:36:07 AM

  • TV9 - FOURTH NUCLEAR EXPLOSION AT THE FUKUSHIMA - JAPAN EARTHQUAKE ........!

    Japan is now in a state of panic as the nuclear threat continues to spread across Japan. The radiation levels have reportedly risen four-fold after a fresh explosion at nuclear reactor No4 at the Fukushima Nuclear plant. However, there is no confirmation on whether the nuclear reactor vessel has been damaged. Refresh this page for live updates. www.youtube.com
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 5:37:42 AM

  • March 16.2011. Aerial view of units 3 and 4.

    by MaryW 1/2/2012 5:49:23 AM

  • Unit 3 Explosion

    by MaryW 1/2/2012 5:54:25 AM

  • Reactor #4

    by MaryW 1/2/2012 6:08:21 AM

  • @MaryW, they've got the order of Units 1 through 4 backwards.
    by Ian 1/2/2012 6:16:25 AM

  • Plutonium From Fukushima Detected in Lithuania. Jan 01.2011. Not to show that the amounts were significant (they weren't) but to note that plutonium out of the Fukushima reactors did indeed travel far and wide, contrary to many nuclear experts (particularly the kind that live in Japan) have said.

    What's more, the authors of the paper seem to think that plutonium came from the spent fuel.
    ex-skf.blogspot.com
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 6:16:53 AM

  • @Ian viewing from a different angle than what's been shown to us before
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 6:17:54 AM

  • This video is again from India, They're satellite at different location than US
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 6:19:36 AM

  • @MaryW That's not satellite footage. It seems to be a stationary camera.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/2/2012 6:22:11 AM

  • @MaryW, the video below with image of the units enumerated shows Unit 1 exploding.
    by Ian 1/2/2012 6:25:50 AM

  • Some of what we're seeing is confusion in early media reports, they clearly believe Unit 1 is Unit 4 in that last video below. But there is the crude video of Unit-4 blast that was flagged down by a media (c) holder. I have a copy of that as do others. I'm thinking the odd narrow-emitting smoke in the Indian-news report www.youtube.com may be Unit 3 shortly after it exploded since it was steaming from two narrow points, but the surrounding buildings are difficult to correlate unless perhaps it's a view from the ocean.
    by Ian 1/2/2012 6:34:45 AM

  • Radionuclides from the Fukushima accident in the air over Lithuania: measurement and modelling approaches.
    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 6:37:51 AM

  • so here's another #4 explosion in english :)

    by MaryW 1/2/2012 6:38:58 AM

  • It's definitely Unit 3 steaming in this Indian report (it also shows Unit 1 explode, but I've aimed the link to Unit 3) : www.youtube.com
    by Ian 1/2/2012 6:40:09 AM

  • @MaryW, wow, did you catch the very closing of that video www.youtube.com ?
    by Ian 1/2/2012 6:43:06 AM

  • @Ian Yes I did and No that is not a nuclear explosion :) Think maybe it the big oil plant that started on fire due to the quake? I'm sure lots of Japan was on fire on March 11th (gas main breaks,etc)
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 6:55:52 AM

  • @MaryW, check this out, this fellow who posted this on Mar 14 comments that they're not showing the Unit-4 'fire' : www.youtube.com
    by Ian 1/2/2012 7:01:19 AM

  • From: Iori Mochizuki, Fukushima Diary
    Since (March 11), all the information I give is to mean “Evacuate Japan”. To answer your questions about the situation and evacuation ,I’m planning to put a live chat box on the blog. will update it on a post soon. fukushima-diary.com
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 7:09:05 AM

  • Good find

    by MaryW 1/2/2012 7:11:35 AM

  • Signing out for the eve. If I listen to any more Japanese today, I will forget english :)
    by MaryW 1/2/2012 7:15:46 AM

  • bump
    by M.I.A. 1/2/2012 11:35:54 AM

  • Good morning, restarted the board :)
    by Deb 1/2/2012 2:40:05 PM

  • I have been lurking here since the beginning, and have a couple of questions I have never seen discussed, 1/ #4 blew up one minute after the loud noise in #2, 2/ the loading bay in #4 is blown out at ground level, 3/there is one panel on the south side blown out beside the SFP, where as all the panels on the other reactors are all above the SFP. So to me the explosion has come from below. If it was an H2 explosion with H2 sourced from the #4 SFP then the building would have blown more like #1 and just take out the roof and the top panels. So is there a path from #2 to #4 under ground?. Maybe a path was created by #3 blowing? Any thoughts? And one last point while I am here, why does it look as though the concrete has been dissolved away from the reo bar. The many of the bars look untouched, yet there is not a dusting of concrete left on them. Where as in a "normal" explosion of reinforced concrete, the bars are bent and large lumps of concrete sling to them.
    by dicko 1/2/2012 2:40:35 PM

  • 1/#4 blew up 1 min after #2
    by dicko 1/2/2012 2:40:38 PM

  • Here's the Tepco update on the leakage www.tepco.co.jp :

    At approx. 5:30 pm on January 1, 2012, we observed approx. 240 mm
    decrease in the water level of the skimmer surge tank*1 of Unit 4 spent
    fuel pool in the three hours between 2:00 pm to 5:00 pm (According to the
    operation record so far, there had been an approx. 50 mm decrease.). As a
    result of the site investigation later, we did not observe any leakage
    around the Unit 4 reactor building, connecting points of primary system
    pipes of Unit 4 spent fuel pool alternative cooling system, or its
    installation space. The water temperature of Unit 4 spent fuel pool as of
    5:00 pm on January 1 is 23°C (22°C as of 5:00 am on January 2). The spent
    fuel pool alternative cooling system is still in operation and there is
    no problem in cooling the reactor. Though the water level of the spent
    fuel pool is kept stable without any problem, the water level in the
    skimmer surge tank continues decreasing. Therefore, from 10:27 pm to
    11:13 pm on January 1, we filled water in the skimmer surge tank. At
    present, the water level in the skimmer surge tank keeps decreasing
    approx. 90mm/hour. We will strengthen surveillance on observation of the
    water level in the skimmer surge tank, increasing the frequency to once
    in an hour from once in three hours. At the same time, we will continue
    examination of the causes of the decrease in the water level, such as
    site investigations based on such possibilities as the water may flow
    into the reactor well*2 from the spent fuel pool.
    At present, no leakage is observed outside the building. No significant
    change is observed in the water level of the accumulated water in the
    building.

    *1 The tank installed in order to receive the water overflows from the
    spent fuel pool. The water in the spent fuel pool is overflowed into
    the skimmer surge tank in order to cool the fuel assembly and remove
    impurities in the water. The water returns to the spent fuel pool after
    passing through the heat exchanger and the filter.

    *2 The reactor well is the space which contains the reactor pressure
    vessel and the lid of the reactor containment vessel. During the
    periodical inspections, the space filled with water and the fuel is
    changed.
    by Ian 1/2/2012 3:12:58 PM

  • @dicko, tepco believes that the hydrogen that accumulated in Unit 4 entered the Unit 4's building through the standby gas treatment system from Unit 3. The effluent piping for these systems of both reactors are joined at the stack and the systems are installed under the refueling floor. Tepco found the highest contamination in the filters of the system of Unit 4 nearest the stack and the lowest in the filters furthest away. The ducts of the gas systems were devastated and, as you observed, the wall panels on the lower floors of the Unit 4 building were blown, which supports tepco's idea.
    As to the explosive noises heard at Unit 2, tepco examined the seismic signatures of the explosions at Units 1 and 3. At the time of the noise from Unit 2, no comparable seismic signatures could be recorded. Hence, tepco believes the noise was not from a hydrogen explosion. I must dig for the references still.
    by Peter 1/2/2012 3:17:36 PM

  • @dicko. The blasted out garage on the ground floor of unit 4 indicates part of the blast was in the lower levels to some extent. If you look at where the lower level blow outs are they do follow where some of the air/vent handling systems are. I wasn't really believing TEPCO's theory on 4 at first but as things have been shown I think it is likely either the cause or a major contributing factor.

    The blasted away air vents, multi story damage and as you said the top floor didn't blow away like unit 1. I certainly would not rule out involvement of the spent fuel pool due to the fresh load of fuel and what we are seeing as possible damage inside the pool racks.
    by lillymunster 1/2/2012 3:47:26 PM

  • For some reason the World Meteorological Organization says Unit 3 exploded a second time on Mar 15. Are they just confused? They aslo misspelling 'exploded' in their report :

    "At 11:00 (Japan Standard Time) JST on 15 March, Unit 3 explored again. At that time, due to the easterly winds and precipitation in and around Fukushima, the surrounding areas including Tokyo, Nagano, Sendai and other places detected high radiation, which matched well with the simulation results." www.wmo.int
    by Ian 1/2/2012 3:47:44 PM

  • @Ian I saw that the other day. Not sure what to think but we saw lots of smoke coming out of the reactor well the days after the initial blast. The winds changed around the time 3 exploded so part of the fallout went north and west and when winds changed took the rest down to Tokyo. I don't know if they know more than we did or are making a mistake?
    by lillymunster 1/2/2012 3:51:02 PM

  • @dicko, the gas hypothesis is layed out in the NISA Report Sep., 2011, Update to IAEA on the Fukushima Reactor Accident, p IV-96.
    www.iaea.org
    by Peter 1/2/2012 3:53:23 PM

  • @lillymunster, I just sent a query via the WMO's online contact form. Seems reasonable to assume an error on their part.
    by Ian 1/2/2012 3:56:57 PM

  • The cranes have not moved in the better part of a whole week www.youtube.com
    by Ian 1/2/2012 3:59:14 PM

  • They are really rushing the AP 1000 plant in Georgia chronicle.augusta.com
    by lillymunster 1/2/2012 3:59:21 PM

  • @Ian holiday?
    by lillymunster 1/2/2012 3:59:49 PM

  • @dicko, unbelievable! I found the link to the seismic explosion analysis: Analysis result of Fukushima Daiichi NPS reactor building explosion
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by Peter 1/2/2012 4:02:15 PM

  • @lillymunster, probably, just seems like if anything was important to be working on...
    by Ian 1/2/2012 4:06:49 PM

  • Anyone know why the Nuclear Safety Commission staff in Japan would be receiving donations? I don't think they are all elected. Is this a nicer word for bribes?
    by lillymunster 1/2/2012 4:31:44 PM

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