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I think the lower left of the floorplan is the big garage door. So the access point would be East & South corner
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 3:54:15 PM

@dean , that is my concern as well. According to tepco, the recovery of fuel will take years and decades while structures are deteriorating. It is certain that other severe earthquakes will happen in that time span. This is a recipe for another disaster.
by Peter 1/19/2012 3:58:18 PM

@lillymunster , is not this the floor with the entry doors to the primary vessel?
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:00:29 PM

"Anger over plans to restart Japan's nuclear plants" (Kyung Lah) edition.cnn.com
by Pedro Jesus 1/19/2012 4:01:14 PM

@ peter, I"m trying to find some common rates for corrosion on piping, there will certainly be issues
by dean 1/19/2012 4:02:32 PM

@Peter yes 1st floor has containment doors. They are on the diagonal in that layout, lower left & upper right cuts into the containment circle that flare out on the outer edge represent the 2 containment air locks
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:02:43 PM

hola' @ Pedro nice seeing you
by dean 1/19/2012 4:02:44 PM

@lillymunster , which means that there was not much distance from the penetration to the bottom of the primary containment. They should have seen some water collecting on the floor.
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:06:57 PM

@dean Hi Dean, hope your recovery is going well. Nice to see you around. =)
by Pedro Jesus 1/19/2012 4:13:07 PM

"Anti-nuclear campaigners plan legal challenge to new British power stations"
"New pressure group Fair Energy makes formal complaint to European commission over what it says are government subsidies for nuclear newbuild" (Terry Macalistair) www.guardian.co.uk
by Pedro Jesus 1/19/2012 4:14:33 PM

@ Pedro, recovery is going well.. still in Physical Therapy and have started stationary bicycle training
by dean 1/19/2012 4:17:37 PM

by lillymunster via Simplyinfo.org 1/19/2012 4:17:55 PM

www.simplyinfo.org

you can see the access door on floor 1 on left side and see how far down it is into containment inside
by lillymunster via Simplyinfo.org 1/19/2012 4:18:29 PM

@dean Good to know, keep it up. =)
by Pedro Jesus 1/19/2012 4:18:29 PM

@lilly, I must be underestimating the difficulty for getting a better video in there, I've done alot of these types of jobs over my career and I will say ours turned out a heck of alot better,,,
by dean 1/19/2012 4:19:41 PM

@dean I really wonder if they are using an Olympus scope camera that isn't rated for high radiation. I need to go back and look at your example cameras. Do they have scopes?
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:20:50 PM

yes @ lilly, the rad levels there should have been able to be tolerated if it indeed is a radiation hardened camera
by dean 1/19/2012 4:21:42 PM

profile with air lock doors in red for better view

www.simplyinfo.org
by lillymunster via Simplyinfo.org 1/19/2012 4:21:46 PM

at that level would they have been looking at the floor grating
by dean 1/19/2012 4:22:32 PM

head height level of the containment doorway is 12200 OP the bottom of the floor where the pedestal rests is 6180 OP
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:24:06 PM

6.02 meters to the floor from head height. About 20 feet
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:25:06 PM

they will definately need an interpreter for identifying what that camera is looking at, one time an engineer was looking at a scope camera and somehow forgot the camera was upside down... duh...they twist all around
by dean 1/19/2012 4:27:26 PM

i will return ..breakfast time..
by dean 1/19/2012 4:28:28 PM

EX-SKF on the Olympus camera NHK showed ex-skf.blogspot.com

This is the Olympus page showing the camera in the NHK videos
www.olympus-ims.com
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:36:04 PM

I remember seeing this posted earlier here: "...and there is water up to 5 meter from the bottom of the Containment Vessel." www.scribblelive.com
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:37:06 PM

@Peter wouldn't they have seen the water then? it would have been over the grate
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:38:00 PM

...which would be above the entry level.
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:38:20 PM

This image from the NHK broadcast if this is accurate shows the penetration about half way up the 1st floor height

livedoor.blogimg.jp
by lillymunster via Livedoor.blogimg.jp 1/19/2012 4:38:41 PM

@Peter The grate in pictures I think is the catwalk around at the level of the bottom of the containment airlocks
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:39:31 PM

@lillymunster , exactly. This would add up to more than 11 meters.
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:39:45 PM

6 meters to about head height, 5 meters would have covered the catwalk grate with water
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:39:58 PM

@lillymunster , so this does not add up, :)
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:41:11 PM

@Peter are my numbers matching yours? The difference I have on the elevation drawing shows a 6 meter difference between the floor bottom of containment and about head height of the air lock door level. So 5 meters of water would be about shin height on a person or maybe a foot over the bottom of the air lock door. Thus covering the cat walk grate
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 4:46:40 PM

@lillymunster , well it is estimating roughly. But I looked at the equator at 12,200 which seems about at head level of a person standing in the door. 11,000 would be three feet less, which would be about waist height for a person standing there. Waist or shin, we should have seen water at that level.
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:55:42 PM

@lilly,... actually four feet less. We are very close in our guesses.
by Peter 1/19/2012 4:57:11 PM

I wonder where tepco got the 5 meters from.
by Peter 1/19/2012 5:00:26 PM

@Peter sensors
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 5:05:04 PM

Put together the details from discussions this morning along with diagrams and posted to the site. We can add to it or change if we find more www.simplyinfo.org
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 5:09:28 PM

@lillymunster , the water should have been up to the railing in the drawing! The sensor must be kaputt.
by Peter 1/19/2012 5:12:11 PM

@Peter I wonder if the humidity is so high that water is collecting on the sensor giving a false reading.
by lillymunster 1/19/2012 5:19:48 PM

In the first photo on Simply there is a sort of line of white on the wall, left side, and the catwalk is blurry. Could that be the water line? And is it rust or cesium orange?
by M.I.A. 1/19/2012 5:20:07 PM

do we have any results from the endoscoping ?
by Edano 1/19/2012 5:21:09 PM

www3.nhk.or.jp

TEPCO fails to clearly see inside damaged reactor

The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has failed in an attempt to get clear images from inside damaged reactors using fiber-optic lines.

Tokyo Electric Power Company is trying to determine the state of nuclear fuel inside the plant's Number 1, 2 and 3 reactors. The fuel melted through the wall of each reactor's core units and fell to the bottom of their containment vessels after the March 11th 2011 earthquake and tsunami.

On Thursday, TEPCO inserted an optical fiber scope known as an endoscope through a hole into the containment vessel of the Number 2 reactor.

Photos taken by a camera attached to the endoscope show parts of walls and pipes inside the containment vessel. But the images were blurred, probably due to radiation and vapor from contaminated water, leaving details, including the surface of the contaminated water, unclear.

TEPCO says that the photos showed no serious damage or deformation to walls and pipes.

The utility also measured the temperature of the inside of the vessel for the first time since the disaster at 44.7 degrees Celsius. The figure almost matches the 42.6 degrees already shown by thermometers around the vessel.

It's the first time that TEPCO has examined the inside of the damaged reactors since the disaster. The company says it must understand the state of the reactors before it can complete its shutdown of the plant.

Thursday, January 19, 2012 20:01 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano via Www3.nhk.or.jp 1/19/2012 5:23:50 PM

Well according to hufpo, tepco spokesman Matsumoto said they didn't see surface of water. So I guess it's not a water line.
by M.I.A. 1/19/2012 5:24:18 PM