Japan Earthquake

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@edano: yes, it's amazing...
I think the explosion took place near the upper white building that was destroyed by the explosion, close to the north wall.
by Jo Lindien 4/12/2011 9:18:08 PM

@Nancy I'm sorry I don't know how to do that. I can barely post correctly. lol
by KT39 4/12/2011 9:18:31 PM

Times are 1308-1342 for the heat image in the image I posted
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:19:59 PM

@KT39 If your on in about 2 hours I can walk you through on the other page.
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:20:28 PM

The units paintwork design is a patent of IHI (Ishikawajima Harima) who have a fbook page www.facebook.com and if you visit the next linked page you will see they are members of Dai-Ichi Kangyo Group
www.facebook.com also members of Dai-Ichi Kangyo Group are....no I will let you discover that for yourself
Useless information bulletin concludes
by elainekirk 4/12/2011 9:20:30 PM

Edano: No need to change Fukushima response
Japan's top government spokesman says there will be no change in the way the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is being handled.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano on Tuesday held his first news conference for the international media since the March 11th earthquake and tsunami.
Most questions from reporters focused on the government's decision to raise the severity level at the Fukushima plant to 7 from 5. Level 7 is the highest rank on an international scale and was also applied to the 1986 Chernobyl accident.
Edano stressed that raising the crisis level does not mean the situation is worsening. He said the upgrade was not due to a new emergency, but is based on the latest analysis of data. A correspondent for a British magazine, the Economist, said Japanese ministers need to send more information to the world through foreign media outlets.
The correspondent said that politicians should have made more media appearances immediately after the disaster.

Wednesday, April 13, 2011 03:18 +0900 (JST) www3.nhk.or.jp
by Sinthia Domina 4/12/2011 9:21:59 PM

@Jo Lindien : the white buildings look like some electrical facilities, maybe transformator buildings. if so, they will never be able to restore the pump power again.
by edano 4/12/2011 9:22:19 PM

@Nancy: great info ! At 15:00, the RPV feedwater nozzle temperature was reported to be 139.4 °C. 128 °C being a little colder it might hopefully be the containment vessel temperature.
by Jo Lindien 4/12/2011 9:22:37 PM

@edano: don't know what this building was for; I don't think electricity is the main problem for them to solve to restore the cooling facilities: they need to be able to restore a closed water loop, which seems more dificult to me than to bring power to the pump...
by Jo Lindien 4/12/2011 9:24:38 PM

IAEA calmly reacts to Fukushima plant's level 7
The International Atomic Energy Agency says it has been notified by Japan that it raised the crisis level at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to 7 -- the highest on an international scale.
In a statement released on Tuesday, the UN organization said Japan reevaluated the rating based on its estimate of the total amount of radioactivity released into the environment.
It said Japan's nuclear safety agency calculated that the amount of radioactive material released into the atmosphere is about 10 percent of that in the 1986 Chernobyl accident.
IAEA member countries are reportedly reacting calmly to Japan's decision to raise the level, due to a shared view about the seriousness of the accident based on information provided by Japan's government.
The members also reportedly knew that many international research organizations had said the accident should be assessed as a level-7 crisis.

Tuesday, April 12, 2011 20:15 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Sinthia Domina 4/12/2011 9:24:57 PM

@Jo Lindien what about leaks to the outside? I will try to find that image tonight of the leaking steam. If the yellow containment cap was also leaking would it be dependent on what time and day as far as if it matters or is an obvious known thing?
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:25:06 PM

@Jo Lindien You really should take a look at the report from CalTech I reposted from Fiona...I think it will help you a lot to make sense of the events.
by Sinthia Domina 4/12/2011 9:26:24 PM

do we have anyone on the group that reads Japanese characters well?
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:26:31 PM

@Nancy: I just looked again the cryptome pics, it's not easy to figure the exact place the steam comes from. It's sure from the containment vessel area, but I find it difficult to be more precise.
by Jo Lindien 4/12/2011 9:26:42 PM

@jo, I have one somewhere in my files with tight specific steam vs. the dissfuse general area steam seen in most of the images.
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:27:19 PM

www.galcit.caltech.edu
by Sinthia Domina 4/12/2011 9:27:23 PM

@Sinthia Domina: thanks, downloading, I will take a look.
by Jo Lindien 4/12/2011 9:28:01 PM

@nancy Have you seen this animated gif provided by Areva of the Fukushima nuclear accident? tinyurl.com
by ColorMeRed 4/12/2011 9:28:08 PM

@Nancy: don't have this one, would be glad to see it !
by Jo Lindien 4/12/2011 9:28:34 PM

@ColorMeRed new to me, very neat. @Jo will see if I can find it tonight, may take a bit to dig it out.
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:30:00 PM

TEPCO: 1% of radioactive iodine released outside
Tokyo Electric Power Company estimates that about one percent of the radioactive iodine at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has been released since the March 11th earthquake and tsunami damaged the facility.
The company on Tuesday announced the estimated radioactivity levels of all substances at the plant's 6 reactors and fuel storage pools at the time of the disaster.
The estimates are classified under radioactive noble gases, iodine or other materials.
81 million tera-becquerels of iodine-131 are believed to have existed at the plant.
The utility says the amount of iodine-131 released outside the plant is about one percent of the total with a margin of error included.
The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said earlier in the day that 130,000 tera-becquerels of iodine-131 have been released so far.
The company also says that, provided no leak occurred, the level of iodine-131 at the plant had fallen to less than one-hundredth of the pre-disaster level as of Monday.
The level declines naturally, as the radioactivity of iodine-131 falls by half in 8 days.

Wednesday, April 13, 2011 03:18 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp CAN YOU BELIEVE THE SPIN ON THIS STORY?!
by Sinthia Domina 4/12/2011 9:31:42 PM

@Nancy: there's no hurry ! If you find it, that's great, if not, don't worry about it !
By the way, have you seen this ? I though you might be interressed:
www.ic.unicamp.br
by Jo Lindien 4/12/2011 9:34:36 PM

@nancy glad you were able to look at that great job!!!!... what do the dementions work for the cap to be on--the reactor cap to have three leaks and that is the heat imiage through the containmtint cap and with steam leaking the reactor cap but inside the conainmet.... some of the other thermals show heat signitures through the concreate.. Great job
by fitter 4/12/2011 9:39:53 PM

@fitter most likely based on Jo's readings. Will do some more looking at other day's heat images and that other leakage photo.
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:41:42 PM

@Sinthia Domina : "The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said earlier in the day that 130,000 tera-becquerels of iodine-131 have been released so far." this is a lot more than they stated before. chernobyl emitted 630.000 TBq.
by edano 4/12/2011 9:42:53 PM

@Scilla if you have the pages or sub forums on ars technica and physicsforum that they had some of the images posted/discussed can you send me links Tried finding with no luck so far. Interested in what they had to say.
by Nancy 4/12/2011 9:42:57 PM

@edano Thast's also a lot more than 10$
by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 9:46:19 PM

@Veen Oui : 20 % exactly.
by edano 4/12/2011 9:46:44 PM

@Veen Oui : and only iodine. no word about the other isotopes.
by edano 4/12/2011 9:47:10 PM

@Nancy. I'll look. Here's the page I saw today. arstechnica.com
by Scilla 4/12/2011 9:48:42 PM

@Sinthia Domina Ugh. @all Note the 'at the time of the disaster'... "The company on Tuesday announced the estimated radioactivity levels of all substances at the plant's 6 reactors and fuel storage pools at the time of the disaster."
by es 4/12/2011 9:50:01 PM

@Edano @Sinthia TEPCO and NISA present contradicting reports... TEPCO is just fooling around ..IMO
by Optim 4/12/2011 9:50:29 PM

@nancy You will find this video from Areva interesting if you haven't seen it already. They address plant design: tinyurl.com
by ColorMeRed 4/12/2011 9:50:31 PM

What?? I am in moderation AGAIN ?
by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 9:50:37 PM

@Optim : the 630,000 TBq of chernobyl are all isotopes summed up. fuku 130,000 TBq only iodine. they are playing again with the numbers. i hate it !
by edano 4/12/2011 9:52:37 PM

@nancy...sorry... I said video but I meant slide show. It does include that animated gif I posted along with English text. tinyurl.com
by ColorMeRed 4/12/2011 9:54:15 PM

Trying again........so instead of !0 %, they actually misguided purposly the data output, that is a 100% misquote
by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 9:54:33 PM

ALL: There is definite concealment, white washing and down right lies about the facts of the situation. I have been aware of that since day 1, which is why it is pointless to try and make any technical analysis of the events, because we don't have the truth.
by Sinthia Domina 4/12/2011 9:54:39 PM

@edano So right off the bat, their press release has been debunct to be off byt 1100% ??........when is someone going to put the breaks on JPN ??
by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 9:54:43 PM

What's going on here on this board ? I finally see the post that was under moderation without my avatar ??
by Veen Oui 4/12/2011 9:55:44 PM

@Sinthia I suppose the way to look at it is that our analysing it will eventually prove the lie iykwim
by elainekirk 4/12/2011 9:56:18 PM

@Veen Oui Unfortunately, TEPCO owns the Press so it's impossible to receive an objective or honest report unless you fine one from an independent.
by ColorMeRed 4/12/2011 9:56:30 PM

@Sinthia: I agree and disagree... I agree to the fact that they have bean concealing truth and even lying. It's not pointless to do technical analysis because we have been successful in pointing out many obvious things to faily rudimentary analysis. Many folks from Japan might be lurking here to gain insight of the truth.
by Optim 4/12/2011 9:57:21 PM