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  • Nancy.. the bad record of the companies in japan.. like TEPCO. are, for the first time being deeply scrutinized from a broad spectrum ... bad track record..
    by dean 4/17/2011 2:48:34 AM

  • Nancy .. what do you think of having some sort of daily wrap up.. and put it on the links..
    by dean 4/17/2011 2:50:39 AM


  • Press Release (Dec 11,2002)
    Final report concerning the problem of leak tests on the primary containment vessel at Fukushima Daiichi Station Unit-1 submitted to the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry


    December 11, 2002


    Tokyo --- Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) today submitted the final report
    concerning the problem of leak tests on the primary containment vessel at
    Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit-1 to the Minister of Economy,
    Trade and Industry.

    As soon as the suspicion had arisen that air was being injected into the
    primary containment vessel, TEPCO asked an outside team consisting of five
    independent expert lawyers to investigate the situation. The investigation
    lasted about two months and after its completion the team reported to TEPCO
    on its findings. TEPCO´s report demonstrates its recognition of the
    findings of the investigation team, and describes the measures it will take
    in the future.

    The conclusions of the investigation team are the same as those in the
    interim report issued on October 25:
    1.It was confirmed that dishonest acts had taken place, including injecting
    air into the primary containment vessel in order to lower the leak rate
    while TEPCO´s workers were involved in the 15th and 16th periodic
    inspections at Fukushima Daiichi Station´s Unit-1.
    2.Apart from the above-mentioned acts at Fukushima Daiichi Station´s Unit-1
    no dishonest practice was found in any other leak tests conducted in the
    past at any nuclear power plants.

    TEPCO would like to express its sincere apologies, both to those in the
    vicinity of its nuclear power stations and to all members of society, for
    conducting dishonest practices during the government´s regular nuclear
    safety inspections.

    We, TEPCO, will make strenuous efforts to prevent reoccurrence of such
    errors and to regain public confidence in our company and in nuclear power.
    We will do this by creating "a system that will never allow workers to
    engage in dishonest practice" and "a climate in which workers will never
    engage in dishonest practice"
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 2:51:55 AM

  • TEPCO finalizes plan to cool down reactors

    The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has finalized a new plan to cool down the troubled reactors. Tokyo Electric Power Company will install a new cooling system that filters contaminated water and recirculates it back into the reactors.

    Following the quake and tsunami, cooling systems broke down in reactors 1, 2 and 3. TEPCO workers have been pumping in cold water in an effort to keep them from overheating.

    However, the water inside the reactors quickly becomes contaminated with high levels of radioactive substances. Due to possible structural damage in the quake, contaminated reactor water has been leaking into the basements of neighboring turbine buildings and service tunnels. This has impeded emergency repair work and created a disposal problem.
    To best deal with the present circumstances, TEPCO plans to first pump contaminated wastewater outside the turbine buildings where it can be more safely cooled and filtered. Radioactive substances and salt are removed and a continuous supply of treated water is circulated to gradually cool down the reactors.

    TEPCO is scheduled to start operating the new cooling system by summer.

    Sunday, April 17, 2011 09:20 +0900 (JST)
    by VeenOui 4/17/2011 2:52:02 AM

  • New cooling systems may be installed outside Fukushima reactor buildings...

    It would be necessary to secure five or six heat exchangers to cool one reactor, but the cooling efficiency of the gasketed plate heat exchangers is twice that of conventional heat exchangers for nuclear plants, according to the sources. mdn.mainichi.jp
    by Reed 4/17/2011 2:53:38 AM

  • @dean Are they pretty slack about rust etc. at a plant as long as it isn't core systems or is that level of rust etc. out of the norm? A daily roundup might be good for those who jump online briefly. Would need to figure out a way to gather and edit.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 2:54:29 AM

  • @VeenOui : and what do they do until summer ?
    by Edano 4/17/2011 2:55:17 AM

  • @Edano Someone brought it up this afternoon. In order to get water out of basements & tunnels even long enough to plug things up they would have to stop dumping water long enough that reactors and SFP would heat up and get worse. Keep dumping in water and you can never get at those other areas. Sort of a catch 22
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 2:57:01 AM

  • Nancy, as far as rust.. they better have kept the spent fuel pools the same chemistry as the reactor or their fuel elements would form oxide layers which would inhibit heat transfer.. the structural members have been there for years, by the sea water and I'll bet they have had challenges over the years and years of operations...
    by dean 4/17/2011 2:57:29 AM

  • @dean Some of the corrugated roofing had thick rust on one side. Not sure if the conditions ate through the paint or if they failed to coat the backsides with anything. There was rust on the interior roof panels but could not tell if it was surface or through it etc.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 3:00:18 AM

  • years of neglect Nancy .. more profits in the pockets of TEPCO
    by dean 4/17/2011 3:01:08 AM

  • @Nancy, And in rides GE to help poor old Japan and TEPCO out !!!!, Sure we will be happy to SELL you a whole bunch of Heat Exchangers for your plant to help you out of this mess !!
    by wtm 4/17/2011 3:01:10 AM

  • @dean sounds like they had some old water line issues before. I have to think those kinds of issues just added to all the leakage problems when things in the reactors broke.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 3:09:44 AM

  • @wtm after they sold them a flawed design in the 60's.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 3:10:12 AM

  • I agree Nancy, somewhere we had the link to the history of problems
    by dean 4/17/2011 3:12:43 AM

  • @dean, @Nancy, Just put the first contribution on the links wiki...
    Go look at Fukushimafaq site -> TEPCO operations track record
    fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com

    > what do you think of having some sort of daily wrap up.. and put it on the links..
    by ALBLEE 4/17/2011 3:15:02 AM

  • NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO to present time schedule for nuke trouble conclusion
    by VeenOui 4/17/2011 3:15:23 AM

  • well all.. my bed time.. ty for all the help enjoy.
    by dean 4/17/2011 3:19:00 AM

  • @dean, was not #1 already up for retirement? Tepco was not going to invest a penny in a new paint job.
    by Peter Melzer 4/17/2011 3:22:46 AM

  • @ALBLEE not a bad idea. We could add news reports also that may have ones TEPCo didn't documen by press release
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 3:23:25 AM

  • Silver mine in Idaho collapses Friday afternoon, NOTE: Quake just NE of there with a 3 mag about the same time, don't know why they haven't put things together on this item. www.foxnews.com
    by wtm 4/17/2011 3:30:59 AM

  • @wtm Just like the "fracing/fracking" in Arkansas- just because it happened at same time they won't admit it is cause/effect. :P That'd mean that EQs are Dangerous and mines nearby them are Unsafe. :P
    by Meretisa 4/17/2011 3:33:46 AM

  • @Meretisa, It's not that they are unsafe, it is that an EQ tends to move stuff around that can cause unsafe situations. As they had lots of loose material piled up they were working on. Also that area probably isn't known for quakes and the mine is not setup correctly to take them when they hit. Plus NO warning system of one coming such as what is in Japan or California. Unfortunate situation. Like what I posted this morning, the experts are really concerned, as they are seeing quakes in new areas, and getting many more than normal in the usual fault areas right now.
    by wtm 4/17/2011 3:48:54 AM

  • @wtm oh. didn't know that it was unexpected there. was just spouting. do you think that the mine had anythign to do with it like the fraking or is it just the new fault line thing?? link to more info on this new fault?? very interesting. Idaho is near Yellowstone- is this fault line connected to that?? hmmm
    by Meretisa 4/17/2011 3:58:48 AM

  • Hmmm, came across this titled "WTF are these flashes"

    by Debra Beckham 4/17/2011 4:07:25 AM

  • @Meretisa Yellowstone has been having quakes and there was one in Montana. Waiting for the fault lines in SD to act up next.
    by Nancy 4/17/2011 4:11:32 AM

  • well.. couldn't sleep... Debra those flashes could be welding maybe
    by dean 4/17/2011 4:16:23 AM

  • @dean A Welder in a hurry. :-)
    by NHK Listener 4/17/2011 4:25:43 AM

  • by NHK Listener 4/17/2011 4:27:26 AM

  • yeh.. that is what I thought.. hurry up and cover up
    by dean 4/17/2011 4:27:58 AM

  • good one NHK.. I still vote to fill the concrete containment all the way up... and let that hurry up the cool down to days from weeks.. and no VERY HIGHLY CONTAMINATED FILTERS..
    by dean 4/17/2011 4:32:33 AM

  • NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO chairman to announce path to conclude nuke trouble at 3 p.m
    by VeenOui 4/17/2011 4:34:41 AM

  • A quick survey of the EPA Radnet site at cdxnode64.epa.gov

    63 monitors were fully functional
    8 failed to show beta radiation readings
    46 were "under survey"

    39% of the monitors were out of commission
    54% of the monitors registered beta radiation
    by Bobby1 4/17/2011 4:39:33 AM

  • Govt To Say Soon When Nuke Disaster Will Conclude: Edano

    FUKUSHIMA (Kyodo)--Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Sunday that the government may be able to give an estimate in the next few days of when the nuclear emergency at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant will be concluded. Nikkei
    by NHK Listener 4/17/2011 4:40:00 AM

  • TEPCO to use robots to examine reactor building conditions

    TOKYO, April 17, Kyodo

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Sunday it would later in the day use robots to examine the temperature, radiation level, and oxygen concentration inside a reactor building at its troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

    The inspection by remotely operated robots at the No. 3 reactor will be carried out to gauge whether it is safe to allow workers to enter the building and determine what work will be required to bring the crippled reactor under control.

    The utility, known as TEPCO, will consider examining the Nos. 1 and 2 reactors in the same manner, using two U.S.-made robots equipped with moveable arms.

    An operating test at the power plant's No. 5 reactor showed the robots, measuring 70 centimeters long and 53 cm wide, can open the doors to the reactor buildings by themselves.

    ==Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by NHK Listener 4/17/2011 4:41:58 AM

  • @Bobby1 interesting. St. Paul one was working the other day and was pretty high. Hmmmm.
    by Meretisa 4/17/2011 4:54:38 AM

  • @Meretisa some more results, by state:
    California 42% registered beta radiation
    Texas 36%
    Florida 0%
    Great Plains (ND,SD,NE,OK,TX) 43%
    Midwest (MN,WI,MI,IL,IN,OH,MO) 50%
    by Bobby1 4/17/2011 5:03:40 AM

  • @Meretisa, Don't show any fault lines near where the quake was in Idaho.
    by wtm 4/17/2011 5:06:32 AM

  • @Bobby1 This is for real yes ? ....and Beta in what range ?
    by VeenOui 4/17/2011 5:08:04 AM

  • @VeenOui Monitors that show 0 for beta are not working for it, it says so on the web page
    by Bobby1 4/17/2011 5:09:47 AM

  • It says "Beta gross count rate"
    by Bobby1 4/17/2011 5:11:27 AM

  • Is R1 still heating?
    by RadioGuy 4/17/2011 5:13:30 AM

  • Florida is showing 0% beta because not one of the monitors is being reported. Most stopped showing daily beta counts around March 20th. One s
    by Bev 4/17/2011 5:20:02 AM

  • Florida is showing 0% on gross beta counts because not one monitor in the state has reported any data since April 10th. Most stopped reporting about March 20th. Example Orlando: www.epa.gov You can google radnet tampa, tallahassee, jacksonville, miami and find similar graphs. Why doesn't Florida have ONE SINGLE WORKING MONITOR? And they all miraculously fail about the same time? Where are the journalists?
    by Bev 4/17/2011 5:23:43 AM

  • I saw one of those iodine plumes going over Florida. Big orange and grapefruit growing area.
    by Bobby1 4/17/2011 5:24:20 AM

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