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If people have questions about pictures in that page Elaine or I may be able to give more explanation. I hope to have part 2 of this on line some time today.

@Nancy and Elaine Fine work. When the bots go in, maybe we can identify what they're concentrating on. Also, the yellow tag on the purple extension cord is probably a work orde, a way to identify things that need to be fixed.

You know this whole issue of unrecorded internal dose is starting to bug me. Note how carefully TEPCO workers shield themselves against picking up internal doses, with face masks and taping cuffs, etc. (viewing the Phototour) Yet against hard external, very little protection, just the Tyvek suits.

Yet the data that is fed to civs, no matter where or what the situation, is always just the hard external, and anything internal is then related to external such as flights across the continent (am I wrong about this?)

I just think about how kids play. They roughhouse, literally rub each other's noses in the dirt. Either I'm completely off-base and they account for the internal dose by monitoring teacher's lapel dosimeters (although how they do this would be mystery to me), or they aren't and the true doses, both external AND internal, that will be absorbed by the people and especially children of Fukushima, are not being recorded.

@bo One of our guys did a website (still evolving) with all kinds of rad. protective actions, helpful foods, monitoring, etc. Maybe it can help people there. etherworlds.com

@bo better link: etherworlds.com

@all it is time for me to go lay down on the tatami until morning. See you then. Keep up the great work.

@bo Thanks, we were talking earlier today about our role in education and trying to get the information out to regular people. Knowing even in Japan people struggle to get clear understandable information makes it even a more important task

@elainekirk If you find more duct tape pics send them my way. ;-)

Now, tatami time!

nite bo, thanks for the insight!

Points to make:

1) Kids in Fukushima Prefecture (elsewhere?) are now legally permitted to be exposed to the same radiation levels as European nuclear workers.

2) Kids in Fukushima are not allowed to work in radiation fields as high as they are now being allowed to go to school in.

3) These figures do not account for internal dose.

4) They can scrape school yards, but they cant (easily) scrape down a city of 300,000 people. Even if they cut schoolyard doses, kids are still going to pick up significant doses elsewhere in their lives. Cutting teacher's lapel dosimeter to 1/10 current level might still leave kids picking up 10s of mSv/year. Keep this in mind for kid's doses when the GoJ says they have remediated X number of schools to Y level.

5) This is a real issue. It's not hypothetical. It's not the GoJ doing CYA for some extreme cases. From school radiation data it's clear that many schools are located in areas with 10s of mSv/year dose potentials, EXTERNAL.

@Nancy : ABWR is number 6.

@Nancy 6631 × 4219 px and it's from zepco, yes !

@General Armstrong It is genocide.

i really love that site:

Japan is a world leader in utilization of clean, nuclear energy, and produces about 34% of its energy with its 50 nuclear reactors. To hop up on my soapbox for a brief moment, allow me to say something about the tragic events in Japan, in order for us all to maintain a clear head, in spite of the destruction and pandemonium being played up in the media:

* The amount of radiation currently leaking into the atmosphere from Fukushima Dai-ichi is about as much as you’d get from eating 1-2 bananas a day for a year [source]. Granted, this could quickly change, but for now it looks relatively benign.
* Radioactive isotopes that are released do not last millions of years, as is commonly thought. The half life of the two most common isotopes from fallout (caesium and iodine) is 30 years and 8 days, respectively. This means that most radiation from a nuclear disaster will naturally decay quickly. [source and source]
* Burning coal for power is 100 times more radioactive than the radiation from nuclear waste [source]
* Litigation and regulation are stalling 351 U.S. energy projects that could create as many as 1.9 million jobs and increase the nation’s gross domestic product by $1.1 trillion. [source]
* The U.S. and Russia has a stockpile of outdated, dangerous plutonium from Cold War weapons. What would normally be stored as nuclear waste could be re-processed into fuel (MOX) to provide a low-carbon source of energy. Highly-enriched uranium in US and Russian weapons and other military stockpiles is equal to about 12 times the annual world mine production. [source]

We've talked about this before, and radioguy has worked on his place-specific site. But we really need to do a generic Radiation Action Packet. It should contain: A.) simple explaination of dosage (even if not-quite- accurate), both internal and external B.) Table of main radionuclides with their half-lives and basic description of what half-life means C.) List of International rad monitoring sites D.) List of crowd-source/private/university rad monitoring sites E.) Japan-specific rad monitoring sites F.) Survey maps of Japanese fallout and any links G.) Simple steps to limit exposure (i.e. masks, washing veggies, clothes, water purif. units, cook times,etc.) H.) Foods that are known to help remove radiation I.) Foods that may help to remove radiation.

@marie rich We need that info written up so it can go into the site. I need to talk to radio guy but we should be getting the group web site going soon and will need that information written so we can add it.

@marie rich we are doing the technical work. We need everyone else to write the information. Then we can put it on the web site. The information can be written in any format. Email, notepad file, MS word etc. We can do the rest!

@marie, we really need to get a group name hashed out. Will make projects to the public easier if we have the name figured out.