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  • @Ralph Unger : if they are far enough off the coast, they should be tsunami-resistant as well.
    by Edano 5/1/2011 10:37:28 PM

  • they have good mountain ranges they could site them on
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 10:38:14 PM

  • Most of them are just off the coast, but they did fine anyways.
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 10:38:42 PM

  • Scotland has one running alongside the motorway . And as shown by Japan radiation map wind carries along highways
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 10:40:01 PM

  • i would buy japanese windpark shares now. i am sure they will be built.
    by Edano 5/1/2011 10:40:43 PM

  • www.bloomberg.com Snapshot of TOHOKU ELECTRIC POWER CO INC
    by Edano 5/1/2011 10:45:08 PM

  • If Japan is seriously going to rethink their energy policy from a social and business perspective it could change things world wide. They are one of the major economies. They also tend to create trends in many things and they would not be foolish enough to not capitalize on something they are doing domestically. It could potentially be the push world wide to get more alt. energy elsewhere if it takes off in Japan.
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 10:45:31 PM

  • @Edano know how to buy Tohoku shares?
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 10:45:58 PM

  • www.bloomberg.com shoulld be a pic
    by Edano 5/1/2011 10:46:13 PM

  • Oh they have to be and I am sure the big manufacturers like car makers can be encouraged to fund it - Japan has a workforce that is exceptionally good the companies benefit from that and they can recoup their investment in power deals
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 10:46:56 PM

  • @Nancy : online or ask your local bank.
    by Edano 5/1/2011 10:48:12 PM

  • I think Tepco will be nationalized so I am staying away from that.
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 10:48:30 PM

  • nuke bowling in japan. the next strike will come.
    by Edano 5/1/2011 10:50:31 PM

  • @ralf gop have the tsumnami/quake clean up to fund they would sink if they absorbed the nuke costs too surely
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 10:52:57 PM

  • by Edano edited by elainekirk 5/1/2011 10:53:47 PM

  • They already have absorbed the costs, "Nuclear Liability caps in Japan" envirolaw.com
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 10:55:25 PM

  • that plant is going to cost big time , Japan can rehouse and encourage businesses and get back on its feet but not with that goliath slung round its neck
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 10:58:36 PM

  • Unlike BP which could sell assets, Tepco has only the assets that make it money.Namely the power plants. "Japan's TEPCO: Assets sale to pay compensation" articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 10:59:21 PM

  • Tepco were shut down for how long ?1yr? 2yrs? and had to bring their sites into line only a few yrs ago then they had their biggest plant go down in the 07 quake that had to be brought up to spec they were being pressured to get the 2 fukushimas up to standard when bam that is a hell of a lot for a company to survive
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 11:02:48 PM

  • Link to the plant accident of '07. www.tepco.co.jp
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 11:06:02 PM

  • "Gland steam ventilator" ? LOL
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 11:09:13 PM

  • Good evening, @elaine. You're still up. I'm briefly on but have to run a few errands today.

    You have a point. Additionally, radmap-highway indication also possibly be due to churning of hot dust/fine debris by highway motor traffic then picked up by the wind.
    By elainekirk
    > as shown by Japan radiation map wind carries along highways
    by ALBLEE 5/1/2011 11:10:10 PM

  • Wind power cheaper than nuclear, says EU climate chief
    Connie Hedegaard says declining cost of offshore wind energy makes it genuine alternative to crisis-hit nuclear industry
    Generating energy from wind turbines at sea would be cheaper than building new atomic power plants, Europe's climate chief has said, in the latest challenge to the crisis-stricken nuclear industry.
    Connie Hedegaard, the EU climate change commissioner, said: "Some people tend to believe that nuclear is very, very cheap, but offshore wind is cheaper than nuclear. People should believe that this is very, very cheap." www.businessgreen.com
    by Edano 5/1/2011 11:11:59 PM

  • Nuke IS very cheap, if the gov take on the liability.If they had to pay insurance, it would be too expensive.
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 11:14:49 PM

  • @Alblee Also, roads in mountainous country follow valleys as much as possible. The valleys could act like funnels
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 11:15:33 PM

  • If the free market says it is too dangerous, who am I to disagree?
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 11:15:38 PM

  • Update on Spain's latest nuke disastro - Situation Update No. 1, RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service On 01.05.2011 at 03:13 GMT+2: hisz.rsoe.hu

    A leak of 25,000 litres of radioactive water forced security staff to evacuated the nuclear plant at Ascó (Tarragona) yesterday. Workers' footwear became soaked by the water, leading to widespread alarm that they may have been affected by nuclear radiation. An examination of the 14 staff members whose shoes got wet has not so far produced any signs of internal damage. The Nuclear Safety Council said that while calibrating one of the four semi-automatic re-circulation channels, one of the motorised isolation valves on the sump opened accidentally.

    They say they will arrange a full inspection to ascertain the causes, but stress that there has been no impact on the environment or the people living nearby. Following the incident, Ecologists in Action have called for the nuclear plant in Ascó to be closed for good, since they believe there is an inherent risk to workers and to the population as a whole. According to the pressure group, there are three types of highly-toxic radioactive substances held at the plant which could potentially leak, and which are the same substances that escaped from the plant in Fukushima.
    by es 5/1/2011 11:17:17 PM

  • New Fukushima Data: Evidence of Instability & Uncontrolled Criticality
    www.dailykos.com
    " Inside of the silt fence near Reactor Unit 2 both the absolute levels of Iodine-131 and the ratios of iodine to cesium increase unexpectedly at April 15 and April 25. Less dilution with uncontaminated water could cause the absolute level of Iodine-131 to increase, but it would not likely increase the isotope ratio of iodine to cesium. I can think of actions by TEPCO that could produce that unexpected result, but I think they would have reported such actions because it would have made their data look less concerning. The simplest explanation for these data is that reactor 2 went critical on April 15 and April 25."
    by Reed 5/1/2011 11:18:19 PM

  • @es that would probably never have made msm a few weeks ago it is good (in a bad way) that finally the press are becoming aware that it is news and people want to know
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 11:20:06 PM

  • What is going on in Shimane? It is a small amount of radiation but where is it coming from? Fukushima data says that everything is normal and levels are declining. atmc.jp
    by Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/1/2011 11:20:31 PM

  • @es : ty for the info.
    can anyone report the Browns Ferry status ? i tried to find anything, but ...... silence.
    by Edano 5/1/2011 11:21:04 PM

  • hi Edano. .last I heard it was going to be days or weeks to repair things..
    by dean 5/1/2011 11:24:46 PM

  • @Reed "The simplest explanation for these data is that reactor 2 went critical on April 15 and April 25." WOW.
    now read this: "There was a 90 percent drop in levels of iodine and cesium to the south of water intakes for reactors 1 through to 4." [TEPCO] www3.nhk.or.jp they still hide and lie.
    by Edano 5/1/2011 11:25:04 PM

  • @dean : hi dean. do they have regular electrricity on site ?
    by Edano 5/1/2011 11:25:50 PM

  • Old link but some may not have seen it yet. www.fairewinds.com
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 11:25:51 PM

  • @alblee hi :)
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 11:31:19 PM

  • Edano.. I haven't checked for a few days so Im' not certain
    by dean 5/1/2011 11:31:31 PM

  • From what I can tell, I guess not. www.jaif.or.jp
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 11:32:07 PM

  • @dean : there seems info blackout. nothing to find. as far as i know, they are still on diesel generators.
    by Edano 5/1/2011 11:33:56 PM

  • @Edano Not sure that's quite fair. That NHK article goes on to suggest that that particular highly radioactive leak (from April 25th criticality?) is simply now further offshore - "The level of highly radioactive water in the sea rose to three to four times the level of the previous day along the coast 10 kilometers south of the power plant.

    TEPCO says it's continuing to monitor the level, though there has not been a fresh leak of highly contaminated water."
    by es 5/1/2011 11:33:57 PM

  • I will check later,, Edano
    by dean 5/1/2011 11:36:00 PM

  • Hi, @elaine. Good chatter on wind. Methinks also the fact there there are so many onzen (thermal baths and spa sites) around Japan, it would be good prospect for geothermal. New Zealand has done great with geothermal, as I gather. No shortage of expertise there even right within Japan.
    I just see firms like toyota happily buying into wind etc it will be good PR and get them good returns in form of special power rates etc
    by ALBLEE edited by elainekirk 5/1/2011 11:36:01 PM

  • Local Criticality: Learn what it means and what is happening now at Fukushima
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    Subcritical (K<1) – 99 or less fission events will occur from 100 fission events
    Critical (K=1) – Exactly 100 new fission events will occur from 100 previous fission events.
    Supercritical (K>1) – More then 100 fission events will occur after 100 fission events.
    Prompt Critical (K>1) – When the immediately released neutrons are enough to create an equal or greater number of fission events.

    The neutron splits Uranium-235 and that atom releases 2-3 neutrons on average 2.4

    Not every neutron is released immediately. The ones that are released immediately are called the prompt-neutrons. Immediately after the fission event the prompt neutrons will create another fission event in microseconds. Also after the initial fission event short-lived radio isotopes are released that eventually release neutrons as well. These neutrons are called delay neutrons, which can be delayed by minutes versus microseconds. Such a chain reaction involving the growth dependent upon delayed-neutrons is a bomb is super slow motion, controllable.

    So we have Prompt-Neutrons and Delay-Neutrons creating more fission events in a chain reaction. In nuclear power a balance of the two is crucial in maintaining perfect criticality.

    The control rod is a material that effectively absorbs neutrons. It is raised to initiate the nuclear reaction to power the plants steam generators. Once the specific reaction level is reached the control rods are slightly adjusted to reach a perfect critical. Where the chain reaction sustains itself indefinitely as only one fission event is achieved from one fission event. This results in a gently glow of fission versus a chain reaction from a bomb. Only mild changes to the control rods over time are needed as maintenance operation.

    If the rods are extracted to far the core will under go prompt-criticality. Meaning the number of prompt-neutrons, the ones immediately released, will be enough to create equal or greater number of fission events immediately afterwards. The fission events will grow so fast we can not control it. This is ideal in a bomb and can happen in a run away chain reaction of fuel rods. This is called going prompt-critical and is avoided at all cost.

    The US Army had an accident when a worker removed the control rod too far during start-up maintenance and caused a near instant prompt-criticality resulting in the explosion of the water from flash steaming. One of the workers was pinned to the roof with pieces of the reactor through his body, from groin to shoulder, dead.
    This will give you an idea how fast this can go bad without control rods.

    Now, distances the neutron must travel also determines the criticality level. The farther it must travel means lesser chances of creating a fission event in another Uranium-235 atom. This is calculated when the fuel rods are designed, built and deployed. Every factor that effects the criticality level is closely monitored and thoroughly controlled.

    So now here is why a local criticality is bad news. It means there is a stable chain reaction growing. The temps will get hot enough to melt all the fuel into a corium blob. And remember how distance also effects criticality?

    When the uranium-235 gathers together in a blob the prompt-critical threshold is lowered dramatically. The number of prompt-neutrons increase and the number of delay-neutrons will decrease. The Russians avoided a prompt-criticality by sacrificing hundreds of workers lives to stop one reactor, Chernobyl. Here we have three reactors going bad and 100 tons of spent fuel fully exposed to the atmosphere with the Fukushima 50. This disaster is seriously under manned and is headed to a much larger disaster fast.

    Once prompt-criticality is reached, absolutely nothing will stop that chain reaction except for one thing, another larger chain reaction spending its fuel rapidly.

    At least one core has gone supercritical so far. When it goes prompt-critical it will explode like a nuclear weapon gone bad. It will detonate just like any other nuclear fission bomb but the yield will be lower in relation to the fuel provided. This is in theory, but it is a strong theory backed up by many.

    Did you understand that? The yield of going prompt-critical is in direction proportion of how much fuel is available. Any one reactor core going prompt will use all the fuel on site. I do not know the figures to calculate a fizzled nuclear explosion.
    by dean 5/1/2011 11:37:12 PM

  • Tepco lie!? They said the pressure and temp dropped dangerously so they had to stop the increased injection of water to entomb unit 1. Nut their data doesn't support that.On the 28Apr. pressure was 0.418mpa/1.170mpa 'low'? on01May it was 0.445mpa/1.230mpa. Temp on 28Apr. was 107.3C/98.5C 'low'. Since their test it has climbed up to 142.0C/105.2C.
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 11:37:13 PM

  • sorry that was so long.. read up.. will return later
    by dean 5/1/2011 11:37:23 PM

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