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  • donner, you can't stop reaction within the corium but if enough water is flooded around it the hopes are of providing enough heat sink to cool it down
    by dean 5/6/2011 8:51:15 PM

  • OMG just two paragraphs section titled Japan on page 3
    docs.google.com
    you will never sleep easy again
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 8:52:51 PM

  • @dean: Can you stop reaction in coreium by diluting it?
    by DonnerT 5/6/2011 8:53:07 PM

  • From Elaine's link, yep that does not give me any peace of mind. Add to the statement that the few reports that were required were frequently falsified.


    Japan

    In Japan the regulatory authority is the Ministry of International Trade and Industries
    (MITI). The operational licence for a NPP is granted for an indefinite period. There is no
    specific regulatory point of view, therefore no specific regulatory process is in place for
    plant life extension. A periodical inspection system is defined, and a nuclear power plant
    is shut down yearly to undergo annual inspections before approval to operate for another
    year. MITI endorses the safety of a plant as long as it meets the safety standards at the
    time. Nuclear power plants can continue to operate as long as the operator can prove
    annually that the plant can operate safely for one more year. In addition, periodical
    safety review shall be conducted at each plant at approximately 10-year intervals.

    In 1996, MITI has launched a program to provide a conceptual framework by which the
    integrity of ageing nuclear power plants are examined and addressed, using three plants
    that have been in operation since 1970/71 (Mihama 1, Tsuruga 1 and Fukushima Daiichi-
    1) as pilot projects. This programme assumes that the plants will operate for 60 years.
    (IAEA 2002)
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 8:57:21 PM

  • donner, the temp within the corium is so high that it would be very difficult to dilute it... I have heard that the corium, at least some of it, at chernobyl is still glowing hot
    by dean 5/6/2011 8:57:24 PM

  • right elaine.. that was unbelievable
    by dean 5/6/2011 8:59:47 PM

  • Seems like glowing hot and solid would beat melting hot and fluid.
    by DonnerT 5/6/2011 9:01:25 PM

  • Have the earthquake page of TEPCO known testing and retrofits online. Will likely continue to add to it as we find more related information. www.houseoffoust.com
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 9:05:00 PM

  • www.osti.gov some reading material
    by dean 5/6/2011 9:05:01 PM

  • by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:08:04 PM

  • I hope you do @nancy I am still looking for more for you
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:08:48 PM

  • @elainekirk I plan on keeping that page going (adding to it) as we find more info related to the actual things at Fuku and also the larger related repairs at other plants. Right now it is just so glaring that TEPCO just didn't care at all about upgrading Fukushima. The things that really mattered were not even being talked about. They did easy cheap things, just enough to look like they did something. As far as the tsunami protection they ignored the obvious that their protection was too low and there was a higher tsunami 9 years before they built the plant. Something else that has me wondering. How far down is bedrock? There was a specific statement about Hamaoka being down to bedrock and that it added to stability. I guess I assumed a NPP would be anchored down to bedrock because it is so big and heavy. Are the units at FUKU not anchored down into the bedrock?
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 9:15:12 PM

  • photo tour www.houseoffoust.com
    thanks Nancy trust me to mess up
    by Nancy edited by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:17:09 PM

  • @Nancy I keep seeing too many referals to soil etc to believe it is on bedrock
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:17:40 PM

  • @Nancy From the stratigraphy charts I've looked at, seems to average around 46 meters of sediments overlying a basic basaltic complex. The degree of fracturing and intrusive bodies if any, would need to research more.
    by Jim 5/6/2011 9:19:02 PM

  • I start seeing a bit on the live stream. On my screen it looks like 2 is steaming again, but I don't know if I see it correctly.
    by Mina 5/6/2011 9:21:09 PM

  • @mina either 2 or coming at lowlevel from 3
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:24:45 PM

  • @ll Just doing some reading on Dr. Jacobs book this afternoon. Very interesting for what might seem a dry subject. Should be an enlightening evening tomorrow and I hope everyone can join us.
    by Jim 5/6/2011 9:28:44 PM

  • @Nancy Any word from George? Re a login to start the WordPress setup?
    by radioguy 5/6/2011 9:29:34 PM

  • @radioguy I have not received any reply. If anyone hears from George please let us know.
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 9:32:06 PM

  • How many hours from now @jim so I can work it out my time
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:32:46 PM

  • Fourteen and a half Elaine.
    by Jim 5/6/2011 9:33:31 PM

  • Twent-six and a half
    by Jim 5/6/2011 9:34:03 PM

  • Wow...LOT of steam from R3... it almost looks like there's flickering light in the clouds, but with a long shot like this, there are so many places that could creep in. Of course, between the Chinese dust and the dew point being at close to fog already, as we see from the other cam still, it's hard to make much of it, except that's a lot of steam coming from R3.
    by radioguy 5/6/2011 9:34:40 PM

  • where is the common sfp as we look at the live feed?
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 9:36:48 PM

  • @elainekirk timeanddate.com Great for time zone conversion.
    by radioguy 5/6/2011 9:37:48 PM

  • Funny, it's at the <<www.gloresis.info/live-event
    by Jim 5/6/2011 9:38:03 PM

  • @elainekirk common pool would be to the right of 4
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 9:40:39 PM

  • are there any NEW (close up) photos from the plants ? all i can find is from a month ago.
    by Edano 5/6/2011 9:41:10 PM

  • @radioguy I can't tell with all the fog. If that is steam coming out of 3 there is a ton of it. Should be able to see something on teppycam at the top of the hour if it is 3.
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 9:42:44 PM

  • There's another explanation for the "steam" billowing from R3 in the long shot, uphill draft pulling fog up the hill behind R4, up across R3.
    by radioguy 5/6/2011 9:43:02 PM

  • @Edano last inside photos were that last mini drone and that was weeks ago
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 9:43:17 PM

  • @Edano I would really like a few shots of building 4 from today or yesterday.
    by Nancy 5/6/2011 9:46:51 PM

  • Here one:
    www.youtube.com
    by Mina 5/6/2011 9:55:27 PM

  • i still find the quantum aspects of the double-slit experiment unbelievable. this is a complete different way of thinking. mankind ist still noob on universal physics.
    by Edano 5/6/2011 9:59:15 PM

  • OK at the risk of sounding loopy can somebody shout if this doc is any use to anybody please
    www.rist.or.jp
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 10:00:10 PM

  • @Edano I agree. It's a dogma all it's own now and if you don't think the way they do--you're stupid or a quack.
    by Jim 5/6/2011 10:00:51 PM

  • and though we are so arrogant to believe we can control nuclear reactions. in fact, we don't know anything. it's just trial and error. fuku is error.
    by Edano 5/6/2011 10:03:12 PM

  • @Edano That's all it is, dumb luck if you ask me.
    by Jim 5/6/2011 10:04:30 PM

  • @Edano I'm not against it for research purposes though.
    by Jim 5/6/2011 10:05:50 PM

  • @Jim : and medicine. and maybe spaceships.
    by Edano 5/6/2011 10:07:14 PM

  • @Edano Yes, and I'm not against Pu for power in space. Just better make damn sure it achieves escape velocity though.
    by Jim 5/6/2011 10:10:30 PM

  • In a nutshell, I'm not against IT, I'm against the WAY they do it. I don't think and never have, that at this stage of development that we can handle it. In the future I'm sure we will. (If we don't kill ourselves first)
    by Jim 5/6/2011 10:15:03 PM

  • @nancy
    is the doc any good or do you have it? I am thinking it is a dud cos Jim hasnt said anything
    by elainekirk 5/6/2011 10:15:32 PM

  • Thanks for pinning the video, and Rob in SF for including on wikispaces! I wanted to include all sides and not try to trash any one. We might never know for sure, but my inclination is toward the Busby-Gundersen view on #3. Wish I could find examples of similar concrete buildings being subjected to various explosives. Amazingly, the studies of hydrogen explosions in nuclear-industry journals are, in every case I've found (which is surely, I hope, not every case in existence), based on computer models, not empirical tests. So in a real sense, real life is the ultimate testing ground in an ongoing nuclear experiment.
    by Ian 5/6/2011 10:15:59 PM

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