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  • They have been looking for someone to talk about the lean of #4, which I have declined to do since I don't have any expertise. @Nancy said her brother (a structural engineer) might do it, but I haven't heard back regarding it yet
    by bo 5/10/2011 9:36:36 AM

  • The Japanese MP Kuniko Tanioka linked by Elaine at 10:11 has quite a good overview and also speaks good English.
    by hudebnik 5/10/2011 9:39:44 AM

  • @hudebnik I have passed that on to them. And also a recommendation to talk to Taro Kono the PM who blogged about the "high density" release.
    by bo 5/10/2011 9:40:55 AM

  • @bo you are pinned I will go see if Russia Today have a twitter account to follow I had noticed that Russia was a good source of news
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 9:46:43 AM

  • Thanks @elainekirk
    by bo 5/10/2011 9:48:57 AM

  • It is a sobering thought that tomorrow marks 2 months since the earthquake and start of the Fukushima emergency, and how far have the measures to control the reactors got? #1 has much more radiation inside than they hoped so the much-heralded cooling work can't take place as planned - #2 is still leaking high levels of radiation as containment is breached - #3 is a wreck, doesn't seem to be getting all the water that's being pumped in and looks to have suffered some sort of event in the last 3 days - #4 is structurally unsound, may be leaning over and could collapse. How farsighted not to have any measurable targets in the roadmap!
    by hudebnik 5/10/2011 9:50:35 AM

  • @hudebnik if you don't have measurable targets, you don't have to
    account for failure. A strategy?
    by bo 5/10/2011 9:52:37 AM

  • @bo - could well be! It would make a classic company mission statement - "TEPCO - working together towards a safe outcome..."
    by hudebnik 5/10/2011 9:56:01 AM

  • I think every move of tepco's has been guided by legal bods and the Japan government is acting on their say so too
    i.e. the exclusion zone is set , anyone with half a brain knows it will be set for decades to come so why do the government not declare it so?
    It is nothing to do with giving people hope, it is plain and simple that Tepco would have to pay full compensation if it was declared to be permanent, and in a way gov of Japan are being strung from their orbs by Tepco's legal bods because Tepco have not said the situation is irretrievable.
    Therefore I predict we will have ongoing global polution because any other course would spell financial meltdown and they have chosen nuclear as preferable #justmyopinion
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 10:04:17 AM

  • @all, off to try to keep the rain off of me (ugh) on my way home. Back after a bit
    by bo 5/10/2011 10:19:14 AM

  • Has everybody here seen the new SNF3 video? What a train wreck. Zip file from TEPCO: www.tepco.co.jp
    by Jack Bogdanski edited by elainekirk 5/10/2011 10:19:35 AM

  • by Jack Bogdanski 5/10/2011 10:21:01 AM

  • @Jack - that is amazing, good find. How on earth they can ever recover the fuel assemblies (with MOX) from that wreckage I can't imagine, the SFP seems jammed with concrete, rebar etc from the walls and roof. Could the container being lowered into the water be to take samples?
    by hudebnik 5/10/2011 10:27:35 AM

  • having a nice warm bath.
    by Edano 5/10/2011 10:51:21 AM

  • FWIW, here's a YouTube link for that latest TEPCO PR footage...

    by Rob in SF 5/10/2011 10:59:35 AM

  • @Jack Bogdanski yes, much damage.... PS: Polak ?
    by xxx 5/10/2011 10:59:46 AM

  • The concrete chunks have become very rounded how has that happened? I would have expected well squred chunks

    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 11:00:35 AM

  • @rob have we both uploaded the same vid ? I will delete mine
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 11:01:24 AM

  • @elainekirk Great minds post alike.
    by Rob in SF 5/10/2011 11:11:26 AM

  • #4 seems to be churning out some steam www.youtube.com
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 11:28:14 AM

  • greenpeace reveals covered up incident in german npp Biblis A from last october. leaking RPV seal. the plant is one of the recently shut down.
    by Edano 5/10/2011 11:39:06 AM

  • Rainbow Warrior to begin analysis on radioactive samples . After a week of sailing and conducting radiation sampling along the Fukushima coast, the Rainbow Warrior is now at anchor in Yokohama and our team is preparing to start detailed analysis on what we collected. www.greenpeace.org
    by Majjham Zazen 5/10/2011 11:43:40 AM

  • Here and there news start flowing again. Not fro what is going on now in Fukushima but I see a glimpse of hope that we start getting more more news Out. The history is to big and to terrible to not go public. www.huffingtonpost.com
    by Majjham Zazen 5/10/2011 11:48:26 AM

  • From NISA/METI www.nisa.meti.go.jp

    Major updates are as follows.
    1. Nuclear Power Stations (NPSs)
     Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS
    - The water in the Condenser was transferred to the basement of
    the turbine building due to the construction of the pipes (the
    Reactor Feedwater System Piping) used for water injection into
    the RPV of Unit 3. (From 16:18 May 8 till 05:41 May 10)
    - About 80t of fresh water was injected into the Spent Fuel Pool of
    Unit 3 via the Fuel Pool Cooling and Clean-up Line. (From 12:14
    till 15:00 May 9) (About 0.5m3
    of hydrazine was also injected from
    12:39 till 14:36)
    - About 100t of fresh water was sprayed over Unit 4 using a
    Concrete Pump Truck (62m class). (From 16:05 till 19:05 May 9)
    (About 0.23m3
    of hydrazine was also injected from 16:11 till 18:38
    May 9)
    - The work to install a supporting structure for the floor of the
    Spent Fuel Pool of Unit 4 was started. (From May 9.)
    - The accumulated water in the basement of the turbine building of
    Unit 6 (about 60m3
    ) was transferred to a temporary tank. (From
    14:00 till 17:00 May 9)
    - Full-scale implementation of spraying an anti-scattering agent in
    order to prevent the spread of radioactive materials was carried
    out by workers in an area of about 5,250m2
    around the Solid
    Waste Storage, around the Radioactive Waste Treatment

    Facilities and on the sports ground. (From 10:30 till 14:00 May 9)
    - Removal of rubble (an amount equivalent to 6 containers) using
    remote-controlled heavy machinery was carried out. (From 09:00
    till 16:00 May 9
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 11:52:59 AM

  • @Majiham - good article, ty.
    by hudebnik 5/10/2011 11:53:25 AM

  • 【茨城県】全ての自治体に配布が決まった放射線モニタは,多分これ Twitter@hayano ryugo hayano
    translate.google.com
    by Majjham Zazen edited by elainekirk 5/10/2011 11:54:30 AM

  • First official admission of work to support the upper floor in #4
    by bo 5/10/2011 11:55:16 AM

  • Morning all!
    Good news that they are able to start work to shore up #4.
    If anyone wants a large screen shot of something in that #3 SFP footage let me know and I can try to grab that frame.
    by Nancy 5/10/2011 11:55:46 AM

  • @bo those were my thoughts too @Nancy good morning plenty of work for you today :)
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 11:55:59 AM

  • Good morning @Nancy
    by bo 5/10/2011 11:56:13 AM

  • Japanese power firm Chubu Electric on Monday agreed to shut a nuclear plant until it can be better defended against the type of massive tsunami that in March triggered the worst atomic crisis in 25 years. www.reuters.com
    by Majjham Zazen 5/10/2011 11:57:03 AM

  • @bo It was a very vague statement in their "plan" they underplay the whole thing. The info coming out of the back channels seems to be more honest or forthcoming.
    by Nancy 5/10/2011 11:57:27 AM

  • for all the work they have done on #4 the steam is more intense than seen in awhile
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 11:58:02 AM

  • @bo, I probably won't be able to use my brother as a source for RT, his daughter is back in the hospital and they may end up taking her to Mayo Clinic so he is a bit distracted
    at the moment.
    by Nancy 5/10/2011 11:58:32 AM

  • @elainekirk the steam below the roof line is wide and seemed to be moving pretty good. They just put water in it yesterday too.
    by Nancy 5/10/2011 11:59:16 AM

  • @Elaine, do you have the Japanese link for TEPCO's reports?
    by Nancy 5/10/2011 12:00:16 PM

  • I think Tepco are becoming experts on attempting to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 12:01:06 PM

  • The 14th regular meeting the Atomic Energy Commission. translate.google.com
    by Majjham Zazen 5/10/2011 12:01:27 PM

  • @Nancy the meti/nisa one?
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 12:01:36 PM

  • does anyone know at what time tghe #4 roof collapsed ? in this video www.huffingtonpost.com from may 7 it seems intact.
    by Edano 5/10/2011 12:05:02 PM

  • @all Any one who cam read Japanese and have a Twitter account please follow : twitter.com!/hayano . I try to keep track on here but impossible for me....
    by Majjham Zazen 5/10/2011 12:06:23 PM

  • @elainekirk could you please let @thunder out of mod lol
    by Angie 5/10/2011 12:07:11 PM

  • by elainekirk 5/10/2011 12:07:19 PM

  • Tropical Storm 03W (Aere) Warning #17
    Issued at 10/0900Z
    Track map- www.usno.navy.mil
    Prognostic reasoning- www.usno.navy.mil
    Warning text- www.usno.navy.mil
    My assessment(@11:30UTC)…. Currently the system has behaved as forecast by JTWC, it now lies in the Luzon strait as a weak Tropical storm, currently wind shear from an upper level trough is inhibiting further development, while the trough provides good pole ward outflow the wind shear profile associated with the upper level system and subsequent erosion of the western flank counter balances this by preventing uninhibited convection and development throughout. Out flow-except pole ward, [may] continue to diminish as the system travels further north coupled with increasing wind shear this will almost certainly ensure the system will not gain strength and will struggle to maintain current strength in the later TAU’s(48hrs+). While deep convection still exists in part of the LLCC(eastern) the upper level trough has suppressed the remainder(western), this is a negative for any further development-note it seems that convection in the eastern semi-circle has diminished over the past 6 hours(04:27UTC-10:17UTC), latest satellite(10:40UTC) illustrates this and it may indicate earlier dissipation due to a continued weakening of the system, convection continues close to the centre of the low level circulation and conditions may exist to protect the system from the dry air to the west, JTWC believes this to be true and correct(see warning text-it refers to Baroclinic zone being pushed northward , this effectively means cradling or cupping, hence protecting the system from the non-tropical environment, namely dry air, polar jet stream and high shear) but I am not shore at the current time of what is truly happening within the system, what may be occurring is a “shrinking” of the system, the intensity will remain but cloud cover and reach of the wind gusts will be reduced. Steering wind charts continue to indicate northerly/north easterly movement note; the system turned north easterly around 00:00UTC and at 05:00 UTC was continuing this movement as it rounded the subtropical ridge. As the system travels higher through the latitudes it will encounter strong westerly’s around Okinawa associated with interaction with Baroclinic zone(the end of cradling), These westerly’s will see the beginning of extra tropical transition happening , they could however completely dissipate the system earlier than forecast should they become stronger than currently predicted. Model consensus varies on the later track of the system but this is due to known inaccuracies for these models when predicting Tropical storm movement across colder sea surface temperatures and extra tropical transition, at the present time the JTWC track map is a good indication of the most likely track taken by this system. In my opinion however the system may in fact track along an even more easterly track than forecast due to the earlier arrival of the winds from the west. In summary Aere has met a relatively unfavorable set of circumstances for further development and missed the possible envelope for a more westerly track over mainland Japan, conditions still exist that are permissible for development but the system does not seem well placed to take advantage of these. This will be my last update on Aere unless things significantly change in the next 24 to 48 hours or in the latter TAU’s and it again becomes a possible (serious) threat to Japan(one last note: the system briefly weakened to a TD and was reclassified as one @ 00:00UTC and regained strength to a TS to be upgraded again @ 06:00UTC. At the current time with the forecast predictions seeming to be on the mark the system poses no serious risk to the Japanese mainland nor is it likely to even interact with it, even if interaction or an eventual crossing were to occur the sy
    stem should be so significantly weakened that it will bring winds no greater than what have already been observed with other weather systems crossing the area since 11/03.

    by Thunder via Usno.navy.mil edited by elainekirk 5/10/2011 12:07:30 PM

  • @All sorry I need to make a correction to that post...in refernece to later TAU's and strength that should be "24-48 hours" NOT "48 hours +" sorry again!
    by Thunder 5/10/2011 12:07:41 PM

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