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  • And a real page for stickies :-)
    by Jim 5/10/2011 3:37:30 PM

  • @bo "They really want to keep on this story but are finding less and less people to talk about it." Wonder why, you'd think more and more people would be available to talk about.
    by Ian 5/10/2011 3:37:39 PM

  • @Ian there were a number of us talking on RT about the situation in the first 2-3 weeks, but almost no one now. I know their coverage has slacked, like most news outlets, but they are constantly asking me to help find them people to go on and talk about the situation. No idea why. They wanted me to go and talk about the lean of #4 when I first alerted them to it four days ago. I know they have been looking for someone to talk about it all that time and they finally got me to do it.
    by bo 5/10/2011 3:41:36 PM

  • @Ian maybe some of the others who were on RT aren't willing to go unless there is "news."
    by bo 5/10/2011 3:43:32 PM

  • @bo I'd think Gundersen and Busby would be available. I wonder if Michio Kaku has fallen silent.
    by Ian 5/10/2011 3:44:29 PM

  • @Ian well I know they know of those folks. I have passed on the names of the two Japanese MPs who have spoken out, and who speak English. Maybe they mistrust Russians!
    by bo 5/10/2011 3:46:53 PM

  • @all well it is late here. Time to hit the tatami. See you all in the bright nuclear morning. Mata.
    by bo 5/10/2011 3:48:20 PM

  • @mark thank you so much for the update I have missed it the past few days :)
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 3:48:43 PM

  • @bo goodnight :)
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 3:48:58 PM

  • I'm going to put in the mail I've received in the gmail.com...
    by dean 5/10/2011 3:52:40 PM


  • midmanage@aol.com to me




    I saw that you all were wondering about the levels here. They are indeed high in Los Angeles, disconcertingly so. I wish someone in science who cared about humanity would speak up about this.

    if you are able to calibrate an instrument yourselves I recommend you get a CDV-715 and make sure it is properly calibrated by someone you trust-yes you will need an instrument that registers in that caliber unfortunately- and measure it on the West Coast.

    best to all of us-perhaps if you all brainstorm enough a eureka moment will happen and provide a workable solution to contain things.
    by dean 5/10/2011 3:53:19 PM

  • @dean You might put up some of your references on the forum and make them sticky.
    by Jim 5/10/2011 3:58:29 PM

  • @dean Michael Collins of Radiation Station indicated that the current readings consisted of mainly alpha or beta radiation. The plume from the May 8 fires/smoke is currently over southern California.
    by Bobby1 5/10/2011 4:01:06 PM

  • @dean we have somebody in LA don't we?
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 4:02:12 PM

  • I am in LA
    by inCalifornia 5/10/2011 4:04:02 PM

  • @inCalifornia There was demonstrably a spike in iodine-131 and tellurium-129m emissions on May 4. The situation got much worse by May 8 at the plant. "High-density" radiation was released, whatever that means or implies.
    by Bobby1 5/10/2011 4:08:07 PM

  • JIm.. I am having fits trying to log in to gloresis...
    by dean 5/10/2011 4:12:50 PM

  • Thank you @Dean and @bobby1 - I don't know, it totally sucks. We haven't been drinking milk, but we must breathe. I am keeping the kids out of the rain.
    by inCalifornia 5/10/2011 4:13:20 PM

  • @inCalifornia The isotopes we know about are volatile, that means they are released with relatively low heat. We don't know what happened on May 8, whether it was an intentional release of some kind, or an event that may have involved higher temperatures, and released other more dangerous elements.
    by Bobby1 5/10/2011 4:15:41 PM

  • This Geiger counter in LA has been up pretty much since march...highest i saw was 71 www.ustream.tv
    by Veen Oui 5/10/2011 4:17:41 PM

  • I'm not sure if Geiger counters are very useful in detecting beta radiation.
    by Bobby1 5/10/2011 4:18:37 PM

  • Starting to flip through the news. Evacuees briefly return home in no-go zone search.japantimes.co.jp
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:26:39 PM

  • seems kind of stupid to let the evacuees return now when they may have had a release on May 8
    by inCalifornia 5/10/2011 4:27:51 PM

  • Tepco turns to government for cash search.japantimes.co.jp
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:28:22 PM

  • - from MIT "Chain Reactions Reignited At Fukushima After Tsunami, Says New Study" www.technologyreview.com I don't know if anyone posted this yet
    by inCalifornia 5/10/2011 4:28:43 PM

  • @bobby1- thanks
    by inCalifornia 5/10/2011 4:29:24 PM

  • Hamaoka impact will be far-flung search.japantimes.co.jp
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:29:41 PM

  • Cooling work inside reactor building possible www.yomiuri.co.jp #1. "It was the first time for workers to enter the second floor of the reactor building since a hydrogen explosion occurred at the building on March 12.

    They took radiation measurements and found that levels on the second floor--where full-scale work on the new cooling system would be conducted--were 100 millisieverts per hour at maximum.

    In some locations on the first floor the readings ranged between 600 millisieverts and 700 millisieverts per hour, which would quickly exceed the yearly permissible maximum exposure of 250 millisieverts. However, TEPCO officials said it is unlikely workers will have to be in those locations."
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:32:13 PM

  • Japan’s Nuclear Future in the Balance www.nytimes.com "On Tuesday, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Japan would abandon plans to build new nuclear reactors, saying at a news conference in Tokyo that Japan needed to “start from scratch” on its long-term energy policy. "
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:36:34 PM

  • @all Had something to do this morning..just back..Is there some news about levels in SoCal? I'm in San Diego. It seems like the EPA has turned off their monitor here so I'd love to know if levels are of concern. My teenagers like their milk!
    by LM 5/10/2011 4:45:37 PM

  • Contamination: From Minamata to Fukushima Christine L. Marran A Slowly Emerging Picture "Since 11 March 2011, a different kind of toxin began making its way through the veins of common food sources after TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) completed a planned dumping of radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean at the site of Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. Spinach and other green leafy vegetables, milk, and water have been found to have iodine-131. Fish, cows’ milk, and water have been contaminated with cesium-137. TEPCO, Japan’s largest power company, offered an apology along with a veritable shoulder shrug. Their Faustian explanation: to avoid releasing water of even higher levels of radiation into the ocean, we must first dump water with less radioactivity."

    by Tenzing via I52.tinypic 5/10/2011 4:50:20 PM

  • R3 temp instrument maybe failed?

    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:52:31 PM

  • About those really high temps at the one measurement point in #3, may have a bad instrument. I just looked at the original pinned listing for it, and from back in March:
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:52:39 PM

  • The instrument that people are seeing the >300C temp on looks to be the same one that showed -125C in late March (actually, -140 on 21 March, but +559C just 9 hours earlier) . (I don't read Japanese, but it looks like RPV followed by the same characters as in the one people see the high readings at). I kind of doubt it was really -125C, but that calls into question whether the 334C reading is valid. TEPCO notes that they have some squirrely instruments.
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 4:54:39 PM

  • @Markfm Indeed, it looks like a malfunction. I wouldn't expect -125ºC inside or outside any of those buildings.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/10/2011 5:02:10 PM

  • I posit that the instrument is severely out of calibration/broken. Veen's post, in the pinup, gives the readouts over multiple days.
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 5:03:43 PM

  • Kan to focus on natural energy, energy saving

    Prime Minister Naoto Kan says that from now on the government will focus on use of natural energy and measures to save energy, rather than on nuclear power.

    At a news conference on Tuesday, Kan thanked Chubu Electric Power Company for its quick decision to accept his request that operations be suspended at the Hamaoka nuclear plant in central Japan.

    Kan said that although the decision has raised fears of a power shortage, the problem could be avoided with help from other utilities and through power-saving efforts in the private sector and among the public.

    The prime minister said Japan's energy policy has relied on nuclear power and fossil fuels, but that he would shift focus to natural energy, such as solar and wind power and biomass fuels. He also pledged efforts to create a more energy-efficient society.

    Kan admitted that the government shares responsibility for the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, along with its operator Tokyo Electric Power Company, as the government had promoted nuclear power generation as a national policy.

    He added he would give up his salary as prime minister until the crisis has ended.

    Tuesday, May 10, 2011 19:13 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp

    a remarkable turn, indeed.
    by Edano 5/10/2011 5:16:11 PM

  • Edano, check out www.nytimes.com pretty decent article on the topic.
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 5:23:30 PM

  • @Markfm Since the 300+ reading is the same one that had that -125 reading, Jo and some others had suggested it was not working properly. Wasn't aware it was the same sensor. TEPCO's explanation of the Saturday smoke show cited an RPV temp that was close to or in the 200c range and that was supposedly the cause of the excess steam. They didn't give more details in the article I read.
    by Nancy 5/10/2011 5:26:35 PM

  • is #3 smoking again?
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 5:31:26 PM

  • elaine.. who's smoking.. what?
    by dean 5/10/2011 5:32:10 PM

  • @Markfm thx
    by Edano 5/10/2011 5:32:18 PM

  • @dean #3 fom the left hand side
    by elainekirk 5/10/2011 5:33:42 PM

  • Nancy, pretty sure it's the same. Just look at the column heading -- "RPV" followed by a blotch, then 7 - 7bar - Y - Ybar (my sloppy English version of what the characters are). That's the column where people were getting the 333.9 reading from, it appears, based on the links given just this morning when I asked where they sourced from.
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 5:33:51 PM

  • Part of the "flood them with data" paradigm.
    by Markfm 5/10/2011 5:34:33 PM

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