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  • @Edano That's what I meant. Anyway, NILU's news links don't even refer Fukushima so I don't think they have found anything scary like the video implies. And also the data is available for all to see.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/12/2011 9:40:06 PM

  • I realize we all value the facts, but must we disparage people just because they post a link that bothers you. You don't have to read it or comment on it if you don't feel like it. Tepco and NISA are putting out info daily that I find suspicious as well...unfortunately it's pretty much all we've got. Nobody wants to be condescended to. If there is one reason I'm still lurking it's because the people here tend to be level headed and intelligent...and I get more info here than anywhere else. Frankly, everything we're getting must be taken with a grain of salt. Sorry for the rant.
    by LM 5/12/2011 9:40:58 PM

  • @Veen Oui this link which had this zardoz/nilu "dates" referes to a link to another page - this shows same thing but also great releases from april over USA and EUrope - and we know it has not been these realeases or we would have known
    by Mona 5/12/2011 9:41:06 PM

  • @Veen Oui this was the link with the not true "nilu dates"
    www.dutchsinse.com
    by Mona 5/12/2011 9:41:58 PM

  • I am over the link and thanks for letting me know, i deleted it from my other boards.
    You inspire me always so polite :)
    by Veenie edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 9:42:42 PM

  • @LM totally agree :-)
    by lillymunster 5/12/2011 9:45:27 PM

  • @didn't mean to be a bore - new at this, I enjoy mostly to learn from you all. Now it's past my bedtime so I say good night, take care. :)
    by Mona 5/12/2011 9:46:45 PM

  • @Veenie I agree. I've been nervous to comment on the smoke/steam for fear of an argument as to whether or not I'm just seeing things. We should feel free to share our observations and be able to discuss rationally without being insulted.
    by LM 5/12/2011 9:47:36 PM

  • If you all allow an advice, always check official websites when you find such information as this Zardoz thing. If you can't find it in the official website well then something is wrong. I find it really suspicious that NILU would set up a website outside their own domain to focus on Fukushima. It would make sense to open a dedicated page on their domain. I will check the veracity of the zordaz website. But it is very suspicious that NILU's official website doesn't appear to have a link back to zordaz.nilu.no Smells fake. I'll check it out later and post my findings. Peace.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/12/2011 9:47:58 PM

  • I guess steam/smoke would react differently? smoke would maybe carry for longer in the wind, where as steam might evaporate quickly?
    by Rexz 5/12/2011 9:50:33 PM

  • @rexz such a minefield I have just told myself that any emissions as loaded with radiation as those are have a make up all of their own, not smoke, not steam I call em radioactive emissions
    by elainekirk 5/12/2011 9:53:43 PM

  • The plume from the Saturday smokeout is now of the US midwest.
    The beta radiation reading from Des Moines, IA is highest since March 23.
    Mason City, IA - April 7
    Lincoln, NE - April 12
    by Bobby1 5/12/2011 9:54:21 PM

  • Madison, WI is experiencing the highest beta since March 11, and Chicago, IL the highest gamma since March 25.
    by Bobby1 5/12/2011 9:55:20 PM

  • bo's interview on RT today rt.com
    by UKVal edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 9:56:20 PM

  • Meh is there any hope for us anymore? what with governments lying left, right and center to protect themselves.....
    by Rexz 5/12/2011 9:57:31 PM

  • Hey @ukval ty I will go listen I didnt know he was doing another:)
    by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:00:33 PM

  • @Rexz Fuel meltdown did occur in TMI's nuclear accident. It is nothing new.
    Take it easy and follow the news. There is always hope.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/12/2011 10:00:40 PM

  • I often bring up about the problems in Japan to friends/colleagues but no one seems the slightest bit interested or even know what is happening! Wish I could live in a bubble like that!
    by Rexz 5/12/2011 10:00:46 PM

  • @Rexz people I know are suddenly interested now that "meltdown" is being mentioned in the media
    by lillymunster 5/12/2011 10:01:31 PM

  • @Bobby1 where are you getting the radiation readings from?
    by lillymunster 5/12/2011 10:02:11 PM

  • @lillymunster EPA Radnet Monitoring Data www.epa.gov
    by Bobby1 edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:04:53 PM

  • @Bobby1 Thanks!
    by lillymunster 5/12/2011 10:05:04 PM

  • @all, CAMS report shows high radioactive readings in S/C of #2 and D/W of #3
    by wtm 5/12/2011 10:06:34 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus : nilo info on other board
    by Edano 5/12/2011 10:06:44 PM

  • The question is why this plume is featuring beta radiation, more than gamma radiation. What could it be? This site www.stol
    I have checked bobby`s links and they are fine ler-eser.com
    lists tritium, cobalt-60, strontium-90, technetium-99, iodine-129 and -131, cesium-137... "Although, cesium-137 emits beta radiation, its gamma radiation is of greater concern."
    by Bobby1 edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:14:40 PM

  • plutonium is alpha.
    by Edano 5/12/2011 10:18:16 PM

  • @Edano-thank you I stand corrected :)
    by anon 5/12/2011 10:18:43 PM

  • could it be Tritium 3H?
    by anon 5/12/2011 10:20:11 PM

  • Tritium 3H decays into Helium 3 which is a big mox thing-please feel free to correct me my understanding is limited-if you feel I am not making a positive contribution to your brainstorming let me know
    everybody's contribution is valued


    by anon edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:22:13 PM

  • @anon Plutonium wouldn't show up in these data. The fatal amount is so small and its beta and gamma emissions are small compared to alpha.
    by Bobby1 5/12/2011 10:23:06 PM

  • tritium is beta.
    by Edano 5/12/2011 10:23:40 PM

  • was it plutonium that killed that agent in England not long ago?
    by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:26:35 PM

  • @elainekirk : no
    by Edano 5/12/2011 10:27:06 PM

  • (strontium i think)?
    by Edano 5/12/2011 10:27:29 PM

  • @elainekirk looks like polonium - that was such a spy movie thing en.wikipedia.org
    thank you
    by lillymunster edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:27:42 PM

  • I thought it was polonium.
    thank you
    by Bobby1 edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:27:49 PM

  • Radioactive element detected in grass, vegetables
    A radioactive substance exceeding the state limit has been detected in pasture grass and vegetables in Tochigi and Ibaraki prefectures, neighboring Fukushima Prefecture.

    3,480 becquerels of radioactive cesium were detected in one kilogram of pasture grass collected on May 5th in Nikko City, Tochigi Prefecture. The figure exceeds the state limit of 300 becquerels.

    Also, at two different locations in Nasushiobara City, 3,600 becquerels and 860 becquerels of radioactive cesium respectively were detected in one kilogram of pasture grass collected on May 3rd.

    Tochigi Prefecture requested farmers in the area where the radioactive substance was detected not to feed pasture grass to livestock. www3.nhk.or.jp
    by LM 5/12/2011 10:27:53 PM

  • @lillymunster : yeah polonium, that's right.
    thank you I am really surprised that so many of you instantly knew the case I thought it just a Britain thing
    by Edano edited by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:28:09 PM

  • No.1 reactor is in a "meltdown" state
    Tokyo Electric Power Company says the No.1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is believed to be in a state of "meltdown".

    The utility company said on Thursday that most of the fuel rods are likely to have melted and fallen to the bottom of the reactor. Earlier in the day, it found that the coolant water in the reactor is at a level which would completely expose nuclear fuel rods if they were in their normal position.

    The company believes the melted fuel has cooled down, judging from the reactor's surface temperature.

    But it suspects the meltdown created a hole or holes in the bottom of the reactor causing water to leak into the containment vessel.

    It also suspects the water is leaking into the reactor building.

    The company is planning to fully fill the containment vessel with water by increasing the amount injected. www3.nhk.or.jp
    by LM 5/12/2011 10:29:41 PM

  • Greenpeace says high radiation in Japan seaweed: www.greenpeace.org


    And from the Greenpeace Blog - Seaweed contamination cause for concern in Japan: www.greenpeace.org

    "Initial findings from our radiation sampling team working on the coast near Fukushima are in and the news is not good. The results showed levels of contamination far beyond allowed limits for seaweed.

    Contaminated seaweed could become a threat as fishermen along the coast will begin harvesting the seaweed to sell for public consumption in the coming weeks. As both TEPCO’s sediment samples and our own preliminary research shows, radioactive contamination is accumulating in the marine ecosystem that provides Japan with a quarter of its seafood, yet the authorities are still doing the very little to protect public health. We are calling on the authorities to start comprehensive radiation testing of seaweed along the Fukushima coast."
    by es 5/12/2011 10:30:27 PM

  • Large John: Brief Opinion on the Tepco Plan to Flood the Primary Containment www.greenpeace.org Danger of explosion when flooding reactor #1
    by Edano 5/12/2011 10:35:13 PM

  • @es, it is harvest time also from what I read. Greenpeace gets a bad rap but in this incident they have really been helpful.
    by lillymunster 5/12/2011 10:35:30 PM

  • Greenpeace completed checks of international ater a few days ago I wonder when they will have those results?
    by elainekirk 5/12/2011 10:38:44 PM

  • @lillymunster I agree. GP at least have some independant and international authority that governments need to make visible efforts to accommodate.
    by es 5/12/2011 10:39:38 PM

  • @elainekirk The blog link below also states "We are also now conducting detailed analysis of fish, seawater, and seaweed collected outside of Japan’s 12 mile territorial waters, as well as fish, shellfish and seaweed samples collected from the Fukushima coast. Selections of samples have been sent to independent laboratories for further analysis. Watch this space for full results in the next week."
    by es 5/12/2011 10:41:04 PM

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