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  • @you No steam.
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 6:30:38 PM

  • factors like Heat Capacity and thermo-conductivity would have to be taken into consideration
    by Lethbridgean 5/13/2011 6:32:32 PM

  • corium is very dense so i don't think fiberglass can dilute into it. just cover it.
    by Edano 5/13/2011 6:33:45 PM

  • New CTBTO Takasaki isotope report www.cpdnp.jp
    by Bobby1 5/13/2011 6:36:29 PM

  • @Edano: The term figerglass does not apply here. It is the batch materials used to make it. As for mixing, if added in a measured fashion the convective currents in the corium will do the mixing. Materials are also very heavy.
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 6:36:38 PM

  • @Lethbridgean: Would heat capacity and thermo-conductivity be any different than the melting core?
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 6:38:52 PM

  • It looks like the beta emitters in the cloud over the US are likely to be tellurium-129 and tellurium-129m. "The main target sites for Te toxicity are the kidney, nervous system, skin, and the fetus." www.springerlin
    R
    k.com
    by Bobby1 edited by elainekirk 5/13/2011 6:39:22 PM

  • @Edano: How about filling the drywell with batch so that the core has to melt into it after melting through the reactor?
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 6:43:31 PM

  • @DonnerT - if it is worse than water and just insulates the corium then you would make the problem worse....Once said mixture solidify's if it doesn't conduct heat well it will build up pressure untill it cracks open like popcorn. Understand that I the same idea up over a month ago so I have been thinking of possible outcomes.
    by Lethbridgean 5/13/2011 6:44:07 PM

  • @Lethbridgean: I have been thinking about it since the beginning too. I just finally got up the nerve to bring it here. I knew if it is full of holes they would be found here.
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 6:46:23 PM

  • Not trying to argue the idea, as I like where you are going with the idea, and your not to outside the box for me, as I dislike conventional thinking. No holes at all man. The "play it safe"
    approach has not done anything but made the enviroment worse off.
    by Lethbridgean 5/13/2011 6:47:48 PM

  • @Lethbridgean: What they are doing and have been doing for 2 months was destined to failure after the second hour without power following the quake.
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 6:52:17 PM

  • @DonnerT - exactly. Just been a PR campain so far. I have not seen the leadership from any party that can solve the problem.
    by Lethbridgean 5/13/2011 6:54:18 PM

  • @Bobby1 do you have a citation or sample result for this concern?
    RBeaner there are 17 citations listed on the link provided by Bobby
    by RBeaner edited by elainekirk 5/13/2011 6:55:57 PM

  • As in all such accidents man lacks the capacity to be the god he aspires to be.
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 6:58:28 PM

  • Stricken nuclear reactors in Japan will be covered by giant tents
    Polyester tents will be placed over Japan's stricken nuclear reactors in a bid to try and contain the escape of radioactive substances into the atmosphere.

    Next month Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) will start work on installing the first cover at the No.1 reactor in Fukishima, which has been the focus of recent stabilization efforts.

    The Japanese government plans to erect a steel framework and place a giant polyester tent-like cover around the reactor building - similar covers will be placed around units 3 and 4. www.dailymail.co.uk
    by Majjham zazen 5/13/2011 7:03:27 PM

  • @RBeaner www.cpdnp.jp The EPA Radnet www.epa.gov showed high beta readings for the midwest yesterday, which cannot be explained by cesium. The tellurium in the air is a fission product, which means there have been inadvertent criticalities, and/or a thermal corium-concrete reaction which released it into the air.
    by Bobby1 5/13/2011 7:06:27 PM

  • @elainekirk The translation is quite broken up. The jist I got is that it is reasonable.... The problem is that it is a calculation we would use in a "questionable" dose to a worker. Someone who was exposed in a way they should not be. We prefer to reduce the Internal dose to Zero, and use devices to measure external/whole body dose.
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 7:06:52 PM

  • bath salts, nappy filler & now tents. If this wasn't so serious it would be extremely comical
    by UKVal 5/13/2011 7:09:11 PM

  • @you cited by 17...LOL.. I am refering to " is there a data point, a sample result, anywhere, that has significant TE-129 levels? That was a scholarly article about TE-129, but not in any way related to Fukushima.
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 7:10:33 PM

  • @RBeaner huh?
    by Bobby1 5/13/2011 7:12:51 PM

  • @Bobby1- must be the gypsies spreading the stuff around then...
    by Lethbridgean 5/13/2011 7:13:52 PM

  • @Bobby1 You located the EPA rad site, good.. Give me a link to the actual levels that concern or interest you.
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 7:14:34 PM

  • @Bobby1 Earlier, you also referenced the EPA site, but I was unable to negotiate it to the point where I saw your concerning levels.
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 7:15:57 PM

  • @RBeaner Are you on an iphone or something? Sorry, I went through all this yesterday.
    by Bobby1 5/13/2011 7:17:16 PM

  • @Lethbridgean: <blockquote>I think they should send in the executives to be the foreman and aged pro-nuke/Oil industry baby boomers to give back to humanity what they honorably need to. God might let them in the pearly gates then...</blockquote><p> If they could lift the lid and I could live long enough I would gladly add the ingredients by hand and stir them in with a ladle just to bring this thing to an end. Already have my pass for the Pearly Gates.
    by DonnerT edited by elainekirk 5/13/2011 7:20:22 PM

  • @Bobby could you put the relevant links on the wiki please so RBeaner can reference them at ease .
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 7:21:00 PM

  • @you judy=just
    by DonnerT 5/13/2011 7:21:08 PM

  • @DonnerT - LOL, I would come too but I have two little ones to raise for a while yet.Peace brother.
    by Lethbridgean 5/13/2011 7:21:41 PM

  • @elainekirk Do I have to burp him and wipe his mouth too?
    by Bobby1 5/13/2011 7:22:10 PM

  • @Bobby1 ty for all the valuble links for those of us trying to guess where all the emitted radionuklides have/will land... If you have a minute, can you guide me to where on the bfs.de site I can find teh
    by Jill in Sweden 5/13/2011 7:22:41 PM

  • sorry the CTBTO data for others than CS 137
    by Jill in Sweden 5/13/2011 7:24:06 PM

  • @elainekirk I'm just saying , if there are specific, referenced high rad levels in the US, I am interested and will look into them, but referencing the entire EPA site, leaves alot of investigation to do.
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 7:24:23 PM

  • this may help - it's a list of radiation monitoring sites across the world ppalme.wordpress.com
    by UKVal 5/13/2011 7:24:54 PM

  • @Jill in Sweden www.bfs.de (German) and translate.google.com They have I-131 also. Only the Takasaki report has other radionuclides.
    by Bobby1 5/13/2011 7:25:02 PM

  • @edano and others were having a conversation that appears to have fragmented somewhat @jill in sweden @bobby would you mind having the convo on the organise page where there are others able to input and you won't meet with any 'interuptions' If anybody lurking would like to follow @Bobby's info session this is the link www.scribblelive.com
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 7:25:49 PM

  • @RBeaner Try www.epa.gov and www.epa.gov
    by Bobby1 5/13/2011 7:26:53 PM

  • @Bobby1 Thank you for the specific links to data. I see normal fluctuations in backround leves of beta-gamma gross measurements. Radioactivity involves randomness, and will fluctuate within known parameters. Filtered air samples are required to detect particulate radionuclides and "charcoal" filters are required to detect gasseous radionuclides. The Gross beta-gamma is not a sample, but a common inference that everything is ok
    by RBeaner 5/13/2011 7:34:12 PM

  • @edano are you still here can you continue do you need a tidy ?
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 7:35:25 PM

  • @Majjham zazen Tepco should sell ad space to paint things on those tents. Could raise some cash to pay back the people who had their lives ruined.
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 7:38:26 PM

  • anything major over the last 4 hours?
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 7:40:39 PM

  • @lillymunster Your graphic, and Bo's commentary made the Huffington Post... www.huffingtonpost.com
    by Reed 5/13/2011 7:43:13 PM

  • when they talk of tents how do they propose to keep them dry and ventilated ?
    polyester as any camper knows is a very good collector of moisture which will run down the sides of the tents which in themselves will cover such an area as to result in all the liquid being dispersed over a vast area and imho draining into...
    by elainekirk 5/13/2011 7:43:33 PM

  • @UKVal @lillymunster They should write on the tents:" There is no immediate risk for you health!"
    by Majjham zazen 5/13/2011 7:43:46 PM

  • My initial impression was they were going to use the fabric that they use for stadium domes. I don't know if that is considered a polyester. If they use a tent fabric as Elaine was wondering I give those tents 30 days before they are toast. Between the wind, sea air and radiation they would degrade fast. If anyone finds out what company is making the tents I might be able to find out the textiles possibly used
    by lillymunster 5/13/2011 7:46:57 PM

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