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  • Christopher Busby on RT today www.youtube.com
    His theory of a nuclear explosion is demonstrated in an earlier post below by me. He also says elevated levels of radiation have showed up in the UK.
    by Bobby1 5/17/2011 8:57:18 PM

  • @Dean Thanks. I've also been wondering about 3 SFP and the fact we haven't seen much steam. Any thoughts?
    by LM 5/17/2011 8:57:24 PM

  • Are there any conditions where corium would spread horizontally, or due to its weight does it always melt straight down? Am I correct in assuming corium to be extremely heavy?
    by jay 5/17/2011 8:57:25 PM

  • @dean : so your "hope" is that electrical channels in the concrete can split the corium. in other words: concrete + corium is not good. ?
    by Edano 5/17/2011 8:57:41 PM

  • @Bobby1 some people here have rubbished Busby. I'm keeping an open mind...
    by UKVal 5/17/2011 8:58:35 PM

  • @UKVal The brightness has been fluctuating and the size expands at times. I think it's inside.
    by LM 5/17/2011 8:58:46 PM

  • @jay : it goes straight down unless it finds a way less resistant, like a channel.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 8:58:48 PM

  • www.iaea.org about electrical penetration seal assembly failures
    by dean 5/17/2011 8:59:22 PM

  • Am I understanding correctly that corium has likely melted thru the cement containment vessel, based on the scenarios in Dean's spreadsheet?
    by Scilla 5/17/2011 8:59:56 PM

  • LM,,I haven't been keeping up with steam on then steam off.. but... if the fuel is there and uncovered and they add water steam will show
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:00:23 PM

  • based on the assumptions from study of analyses yes Scilla
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:00:54 PM

  • Following the hypothetical core meltdown accident, the drywell electric,
    penetration assembly seals h;ive been identified an the most likely
    leak pathway outside the containment.
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:01:32 PM

  • @UKVal Busby was right, it's based on isotopic ratios. He also says there is ongoing criticality. This would affect the current temperature of the corium.
    by Bobby1 5/17/2011 9:01:46 PM

  • @dean We tried looking at watering schedules and it seemed like watering was 24hrs+ before the big steam releases at 3. Could it be bits of corium dropping into the SC? There were also moderate earthquakes during the times of those two big steam shows
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 9:01:46 PM

  • thanks Dean..I think the circumstances of SFP 3 are somewhat mysterious. Perhaps a large amount of fuel was ejected...scary thought.
    by LM 5/17/2011 9:02:52 PM

  • @Nancy : in March ?
    by Edano 5/17/2011 9:02:58 PM

  • Following the hypothetical core meltdown accident, the drywell electric
    penetration assembly seals have been identified as the most likely
    leak pathway outside of the containment. The electric penetration seals
    have been qualified for environmental conditions of 163°C (325°F) for
    15 min followed by 138°C (281°F) for 3 hr at a pressure of 125 psig
    (9.64 x 105 Pa). At tempera: ,.cs above 163°C (,'25°?), the penetration
    materials lose their mechanical sealing integrity, and shortly thereafter
    drywell venting occurs, releasing radioactive fission products outside the
    containment. This venting occurs at a leak rate cf -^250 ft /min (118 i/hr)
    and a pressure of V125 psig (9.64 * 10 Pa). Meanwhile, the temperature
    and pressure inside the drywell continue., to increase. As the drywell
    temperature exceeds 260°C (500°F), the penetration materials would become
    sufficiently decomposed such that the penetration modules are physically
    blown out of the containment wall. The initial leak rate through the
    4
    drywell electric penetration assemblies would be in excess of "v-6.50 x 10
    ft3/min (3.07 x 104 fc/hr) at a pressure of ^130 psig (9.98 * 105 Pa) if
    all of the modules failed simultaneously.
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:03:02 PM

  • @Edano May. The two steam incidents caught on TBS cam
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 9:03:30 PM

  • COULD BE LM
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:04:04 PM

  • @Nancy : but the meltdown was in march...
    by Edano 5/17/2011 9:04:49 PM

  • sorry the gremlin.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 9:05:12 PM

  • @LM t in he vid of #4's SFP the fuel rods looked undisturbed...
    by UKVal 5/17/2011 9:05:27 PM

  • www.iaea.org elaine will you post this please
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:06:25 PM

  • @dean : when i read all your infos, i come to the conclusion that the secondary containment is not at all suitable for corium. it does not pose much resistance ?
    by Edano 5/17/2011 9:08:12 PM

  • @UKVal You're right about 4. I was conjecturing about 3. It seems curious we've seen little steam from SFP area on 3 and more from the core area...that is, before the last few days. We know the pool was seriously damaged. If there isn't much fuel left I would think heat levels would be much less...but I'm no expert!
    by LM 5/17/2011 9:08:36 PM

  • I agree Edano.. point is the secondary containment has it's weak points from standpoint of fuel melts
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:09:29 PM

  • electrical penetration seal failure at temp.. bad deal ..
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:09:50 PM

  • Busby's saying the isotopic-ratio data has been released and shows a nuclear explosion occurred. Has anyone seen this data? www.youtube.com
    by Ian 5/17/2011 9:10:00 PM

  • @Edano LOL. that was my question, is anything still hot enough to flow and move in May?
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 9:10:03 PM

  • I am not sure now many there are but I'll bet several from the side of the leaks assumed once the penetration seal is completely blown out
    by dean 5/17/2011 9:10:22 PM

  • @Ian It's in a post of mine below at 2:50 PM Eastern time.
    by Bobby1 5/17/2011 9:11:39 PM

  • @Nancy : i would better assume the steamshow was due to corium dropping into groundwater.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 9:12:05 PM

  • @LM sorry -not reading properly... still trying to digest all this
    by UKVal 5/17/2011 9:12:24 PM

  • @UKVal It's no different for me! Not to worry!!
    by LM 5/17/2011 9:13:12 PM

  • @LM : in a (bad) way, it is an historical event.
    by Edano 5/17/2011 9:15:03 PM

  • Woods Hole oceanographers to go to Japan, track radiation and Pacific currents blogs.forbes.com
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 9:15:17 PM

  • @edano Very true.
    by LM 5/17/2011 9:16:27 PM

  • @Bobby1, thanks! :)
    by Ian 5/17/2011 9:16:48 PM

  • @Nancy That's a bit of good news.
    by LM 5/17/2011 9:17:19 PM

  • @Edano My understanding is after the concrete there is meters of dirt, then the shale rock base, then ground water. It seemed like the rock base was fairly deep. It would need to have burned a pretty decent fissure. Not saying it is unlikely. If anything the last 2 weeks have been a case of all bets are off. :-)
    by Nancy 5/17/2011 9:17:19 PM

  • Would they likely be trying to entomb if it weren't for the sfp's? I don't know how they would do it since things aren't wide open, but...
    by Scilla 5/17/2011 9:18:39 PM

  • @Nancy The other question revolves around earthquake caused cracks in the shale. Yikes..the factors seem to multiply by the minute.
    by LM 5/17/2011 9:19:02 PM

  • @Ian In short, Mar 16-17 readings:
    A. Tc-99m 130,378
    B. Te-132 25,177
    C. I-132 35,700
    D. I-131 55,607
    E. Ba-140 542
    F. La-140 1,521
    A > B+C > D > E+F = nuke
    by Bobby1 5/17/2011 9:19:45 PM

  • @Bobby1 "During the interaction between corium and concrete, very high temperatures can be achieved. Less volatile aerosols of Ba, Ce, La, Sr, and other fission products are formed during this phase and introduced into the containment building at time when most of early aerosols is already deposited."
    by Edano 5/17/2011 9:24:19 PM

  • @Edano Yes, this happened at the same time that corium was eating through the containment of #1. The concrete reaction doesn't explain the Tc-99m, which came from decay of Mo-99, which is released when neutrons bombard U-238.
    by Bobby1 5/17/2011 9:27:42 PM

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