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@Lethbridgean : i remember how Oettinger (EU official) was attacked when he leaked information and made assumptions.

@Optim You mean #1, #2 and #3. There can't be any meltdown at #4 because there is no fuel inside the reactor. The ramifications could get extremely bad if the molten fuel does infiltrate the ground. Worse case scenario, which is still possible, is very, very serious.

@Pedro Jesus Do we know the water capacity of the basement? I'm not convinced that the water isn't leaking below the basement into the water table and who's to say Corium hasn't played a role at some level. We just don't know for sure.

@jay I was wondering the same thing?

@Pedro Jesus - all you need for a meltdown is uncooled nuclear fuel rods, and in SPF #4 there is certainly enough of those

@LM I'm not arguing either, in fact we share very much the same opinion. =)

As I recall, With melt down it becomes impossible/ very difficult to cool the corium (sp) that forms because it is so thick and even if you cool the outer surface area, the center continues to generate heat through fission reactions. then this corium can melt through the steel if it is contained in the steel still. R#4 could melt down and through more easily because it only has concrete around it, and even easier if it falls over and spills into the ground.

@LM No kidding. If I have a fever, I tend to measure it by putting the thermometer in my mouth, not near it...
Whatever temperature gauges they are using, safe to say they were probably designed to be underwater and are now in dry air. Furthermore, they are now meters above where the actual fuel/corium is located. If the hottest part of the fuel is now outside the RPV, I'd think the temperature guage in the RPV would be pretty useless as a metric of anything, let alone whether the corium is still melting...

@Pedro Jesus : the "secondary containment" is a joke. it is the outer hull of the building. it obviously doesn't need much to destroy it.

Gov't panel to decide compensation for nuclear crisis by ranking mental distress
mdn.mainichi.jp
"The panel will evaluate mental distress suffered by residents near the crippled plant, who are being forced to live in evacuation shelters, temporary housing, hotels and other facilities, from a viewpoint of their living environment, convenience and how far their privacy is maintained.
Specifically, the panel will rank those living at public facilities such as gymnasiums and community centers at the top of the list in terms of mental distress. Evacuees living at temporary housing, apartments and relatives or acquaintances' homes will be ranked second, and those staying at hotels will be third while those staying indoors at their own homes will be fourth. It will calculate the amounts of compensation based on the rankings."

@jay I agree..after what we've learned I hardly think we can rely on gauge readings...unfortunately. Water leak discoveries in some way offer a timeline to corium breach of RPV and the leaks have been there for a long while...I have a hard time feeling the glass is half full with this one.

@Edano According to TEPCO there are leaks at some of the torus pumps, apart from the breach at the bottom of the RPV. Most of the water they injected has leaked to the basement of the secondary containment building. That diagram does not show the whole unit, only a small part around the reactor where you can see the RPV and the suppression chamber underneath, but not the rest of the structure around the reactor including the two last levels of protection. See the schematics I posted yesterday that are pinned up. They give you a better perspective of the whole unit.

@Pedro Jesus : maybe we should concentrate om these structures. do we have diagrams ?

Reed, want me to kill that last post, you can redo it? Just plug in the normal URLs, perhaps?

@Edano @elainekirk @Markfm If someone can embed the link I'd appreciate it. TY

Lotsa' new images posted by TEPCO (I'm uploading the video to YouTube now.):
Reactor buildings of Unit 1 and 2
Truck with nitrogen supply equipment
Car swept up by Tsunami
Removal of rubble by an unmanned heavy machinery
Crawler dump truck for spraying dust inhibitor
Spraying dust inhibitor by a crawler dump truck
Water spray to the spent fuel pool of Unit 4 by a concrete pumping vehicle
Temporary substation for Unit 1 and 2
Concrete placement to the vertical shaft of Unit 2 (1)
Concrete placement to the vertical shaft of Unit 2 (2)
Dust inhibitor sprayed around the circulating water pump of Unit 3
Cable trench pit for the water intake of Unit 2
Screen room of Unit 2
Steel sheet piles at the water intake of Unit 2
Silt fence installed around the water intake of Unit 2
Temporary motor driven pump for water injection to the reactors of Unit1 to 3
Heavy oil tank swept up by Tsunami
Suppression pool's water surge-tank near Unit 5 and 6
Ultrahigh voltage switching station of Unit 5 and 6
Temporary tank installed near Unit 5 and 6 (1)
Temporary tank installed near Unit 5 and 6 (2)
Building for diesel generator 6B of Unit 6
Rubble container
Transfer of container
Administration Office Building (exterior)
Administration Office Building (interior 1)
Administration Office Building (interior 2)
1st floor of the turbine building of Unit 1(1)
1st floor of the turbine building of Unit 1(2)
Local exhauster installed in the turbine building of Unit 1
Positive pressure room installed at the turbine building of Unit 1
Entrance of Main Anti-Earthquake Building(A prefabricated house used for access control)
Measurement of radioactivity in Main Anti-Earthquake Building
Spare protective equipments(1)
Spare protective equipments(2)
Entrance of Main Anti-Earthquake Building(from inside)
Emergency headquarters
Water supply area of Main Anti-Earthquake Building
Passing forward daily commodities in Main Anti-Earthquake Building
Encouraging messages posted on the walls of Main Anti-Earthquake Building
www.tepco.co.jp

@all Radioactive water was found in all turbine buildings and tunnels between 3/25 and 3/28. It was quite probably leaking before then. If a full meltdown at 1 occurred on 3/14 it's probably safe to assume the same for 2 and 3 and that seems to be a long time for low water readings in all 3 (not to mention they could have been dry the whole time)...the Corium has had a lot of time to do it's magic.

@LM Do we know what the water levels of #2 and #3 are? Last time I checked they had no readings because they suspected the gauges there were not calibrated like at #1. At this point I predict the situation at #2 and #3 is most likely the same as in #1 give or take some minor details. They were supposed to enter unit 2 today to carry out the same check-ups as in #1 and repair some pumps and gauges.

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