Japan Earthquake

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@alblee hope to see you later
by elainekirk 5/19/2011 11:24:46 AM

TBS feed is back online, tone and bars gone :)
by WolfDK 5/19/2011 11:28:30 AM

@WolfDK Here Brazil , has never stop... www.youtube.com
by Majj 5/19/2011 11:30:09 AM

A radiation alarm went off at Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s Fukushima nuclear power plant before the tsunami hit on March 11, suggesting that contrary to earlier assumptions the reactors were damaged by the earthquake that spawned the wall of water. www.bloomberg.com
by Majj 5/19/2011 11:34:17 AM

@Majj, strange today was the first day i saw tone and bars on that cam
by WolfDK 5/19/2011 11:34:37 AM

Also it seems to me #4 is leaning more than yesterday, just referenced with some TBS screendumps from yesterday (may 18)
by WolfDK 5/19/2011 11:35:49 AM

@WolfDK I have on for the last 2 hours no problem....All is strange on Fukushima .....
by Majj 5/19/2011 11:36:00 AM

@Majj Strange.. but nice to know you did not loose the feed
by WolfDK 5/19/2011 11:36:53 AM

WASHINGTON — Five years before the crucial emergency vents at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant were disabled by an accident they were supposed to help handle, engineers at a reactor in Minnesota warned American regulators about that very problem.

www.nytimes.com
by elainekirk 5/19/2011 11:42:04 AM

Fukushima Update: A Very Bad Situation lewrockwell.com
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 11:42:04 AM

It really gets my goat how global taxpayers fund these farcical ego machines and get absolutely nothing for their money - why are my taxes being used to fund the IAEA to repeat this claptrap week after week

(Reuters) - Japan's nuclear crisis remains very serious but there are some signs of progress, the head of the U.N. atomic agency said on Thursday.
www.reuters.com
by elainekirk 5/19/2011 11:50:11 AM

'Meltdown' is not a word to be used lightly www.asahi.com "The government and the private sector must come together to help Japan get back on its feet at a time when the nation itself seems ready to melt down."
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 11:51:42 AM

looked briefly at the lewrockwell site. Interesting post but did you look at his home page? I don't trust the source.
by carabnr 5/19/2011 11:55:02 AM

@Bobby1, i commented those "glowing hot spots" on this blog shortly after the video was released, the general opinion were that it was just some red parts of the structure and not glowing ?!
by WolfDK 5/19/2011 11:55:52 AM

@carabnr Then don't trust it. I don't trust Tepco data, even though it routinely used here for analysis.
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:00:02 PM

@Bobby1, wow, looks like Martenson may have spotted live corium. Believe me, that steaming kettle (aka, a reactor) I highlighted in my last video was melting down big time. The big lie Tepco's moved onto now is that the corium burned tiny little holes. My arse, it's probably more like lava flowing from a volcano.
by Ian 5/19/2011 12:00:20 PM

@WolfDK I saw it too when it came out. They look like glowing rod pieces.
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:00:38 PM

@Bobby1,
Exactly what i thought/wrote
by WolfDK 5/19/2011 12:02:41 PM

A friend of mine spotted definite smoke rising from (looks like) Unit 3 on March 23, perhaps as corium is burning concrete below the reactor : www.youtube.com
by Ian 5/19/2011 12:02:58 PM

Morning all!
by Nancy 5/19/2011 12:10:53 PM

morning @nancy
by elainekirk 5/19/2011 12:11:42 PM

@Ian It looks like an interaction with corium and concrete & other building materials.
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:13:20 PM

hi Nancy
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:13:45 PM

a translate from asahi site
Tochigi Prefecture, on June 19 announced that radioactive cesium was found exceeding the national standard from raw tea leaves and Otawara Kanuma. For cities of the county, from Kanuma "板荷 (was)" Tea production and Tahara Hiroshi "Kurobane (I have black) tea," and asked to refrain from shipping.

　Raw tea leaves were collected from 17 days, 890 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium in the Kanuma, has been detected in the 520 becquerels Otawara, the national standards (500 becquerels) exceeded. The local tea factory for both shipped in the tea leaves had not before.
www.asahi.com
by elainekirk 5/19/2011 12:14:41 PM

@Elaine, have you seen thunder's post on the other page? A bunch of TEPCO documents but I am not sure if they are repeats or new, can you take a look? Deb suggested I talk to Veenie about possibly doing an archive over at tsunami of tears. They might have the capability.
by Nancy 5/19/2011 12:15:11 PM

Not sure if this has been posted yet but has some big implications. about 45 minutes after the quake radiation was found 1.5km from the plant. My understanding is that they were not able to successfully vent any of the buildings or at least not in the first hours? Anyone ever get a straight answer on venting? So if they didn't vent before the tsunami they had to have a big break and it had to find a path to leak outside while the buildings were still intact.... www.todayonline.com
by Nancy 5/19/2011 12:18:08 PM

@Bobby1, that lethal-dose block of concrete reported wasn't a meaningless anomaly!
by Ian 5/19/2011 12:19:14 PM

@Ian We still don't know if corium escaped in #3 before the blast, or the explosion tore a hole someplace. It makes a difference on how much radioactivity was ejected upwards from the blast.
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:22:44 PM

@nancy I thought that may be useful to dean so I mailed him it and mailed you the link to the new tepco photo dump . I havent yet been through to see if they have done a doc dump but I suspect that they have and that is where the alarm info came from. I have copied thunders post togo through the links I have to nip out but should be able to get through some tonight then tomoro we are out all day at some distant committee meeting so I will be suffering serious fuku withdrawal by tomoro evening
by elainekirk 5/19/2011 12:23:54 PM

@Bobby1 : you can look it up in dean's table above.
by Edano 5/19/2011 12:24:24 PM

What Martenson spotted is on the upper deck of Unit 1, so it could be melted spent fuel, but I don't think it's 'corium' per se.
by Ian 5/19/2011 12:24:35 PM

Martenson links to this footage www.youtube.com It's around 0:31. Another example that there are probably many things hiding the plain sight in footage just sitting forgotten on youtube.
by Ian 5/19/2011 12:27:05 PM

@Edano Was there a lot of smoke and steam coming out before the #3 explosion, I wonder.
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:29:14 PM

@Bobby1 : there was no opening.
by Edano 5/19/2011 12:30:10 PM

@Nancy, I saw this notion of early radiation release reported on Bloomberg: www.bloomberg.com . Contrary to the headline the first tsunami waves arrived two minutes earlier according to tepco. Hence, the two events could be related.
by Peter Melzer 5/19/2011 12:30:50 PM

@Bobby1 : the above numbers are hours, that means meltdown was after explosion.
by Edano 5/19/2011 12:31:58 PM

@Peter Melzer Tepco came up with a new time for the tsunami recently. Is there some way we can independently verify the exact time?
by Nancy 5/19/2011 12:33:29 PM

@Edano Unusual rise of the pressure in PCV at unit 3 14.3 2011 07:44
Pressure has gradually decreased in the reactor containment vessel of unit 3 and is now 0.450 MPa. 14.3 2011 09:05
Explosion at unit 3 14.3 2011 11:01
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:36:08 PM

I am going through new TEPCO photos this morning. There is a batch of images of #2. They have the artifacts that had been found on much earlier images of 2. At that point we were not sure if they were camera artifacts since those images came from a single photo dump. There were also artifacts on some bot images of 2. Now this new batch of photos of 2 have it all over. I'm willing to call it visible radiation and seems to only be happening at #2. The photos are here translate.google.com

Should have them and the old ones online together on my site in a few.
by Nancy 5/19/2011 12:37:05 PM

@nancy the official time seems to be the 15.41 tepco did use 15.30 in a doc to meti re loss of ac power but I don't think it was accepted as they have been told to submit new documentation

by elainekirk 5/19/2011 12:38:02 PM

@Bobby1, tepco reported the first waves arriving 41 minutes after the quake (indirectly reported by the Daily Yomiuri: www.yomiuri.co.jp ). That puts it at 15:27. I am building at time line here: brainmindinst.blogspot.com . If anybody got wind of a different time, I'd be grateful to have the reference.
by Peter Melzer 5/19/2011 12:41:58 PM

@Nancy , we had this discussion that it is hypothetically possible that CCD camera chips might be sensitive to gamma radiation.
by Peter Melzer 5/19/2011 12:44:32 PM

@Peter Melzer Elaine, Dean and I have a google doc going that he was using to start building his paper on the first hours. There are a number of documents that related to times of events. Let me know if you want the URL to check the links of info.
by Nancy 5/19/2011 12:46:49 PM

@Peter Melzer, no its a fact, lookup Bionerd23 on youtube she proves it
by WolfDK 5/19/2011 12:46:51 PM

@Peter Melzer Sendai had the tsunami arrive 25-30 minutes after the quake. It would taken a bit longer to reach the plant. I remember seeing a map shortly afterwards with the time, but I don't have the link.
by Bobby1 5/19/2011 12:50:32 PM